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Jane Goodall has died

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Post by mdp2021 »

mdp2021 wrote: post #168

Of possible interest: "60 Minutes" re-published a 2018 interview about Tom Mangelsen with Jane Goodall: https://youtu.be/QSxvy0lKJTM Also, the "Speech for History" last year: https://youtu.be/_qnWuPHJwy4

> I was born loving animals - all kinds of animals - and she was just so supportive. To give you one example: when I was four-and-a-half years old, she took me for a holiday onto a farm in the country - a proper farm, not these terrible factory farms that we have today. So I met, for the first time, cows and pigs out in the fields, and I was given a job to collect the hens’ eggs. The hens pecked around in the farmyard, but at night they slept in these little wooden hen-houses to keep them safe from foxes. My job was to go and collect the eggs. I’d go around these little hen-houses, and if there was an egg I would put it in my basket.

> But I kept asking people, “But where does the egg come out of the hen, because I can’t see a hole that big?” And nobody told me. So one day - I remember this really well - I saw a hen (she was brown) going into one of these hen-houses, and I must have thought, “Ah, she’s going to lay an egg”. So I crawled after her. Big mistake! Squawks of fear - she flew out. But now I’m on the path of discovery: I’m going to jolly well find out how this egg comes out. So I waited in an empty hen-house, and I waited for four hours. For a child of four - some of you are parents - that’s a lot of patience. My mother was about to call the police; nobody knew where I was. And then she sees this excited little girl rushing towards the house, because I had seen how a hen lays an egg and where the egg comes out. I don’t know who was more excited - me or the hen. Anyway, so she sat down to hear this wonderful story of how a hen lays an egg.

> I tell that story because isn’t that the making of a little scientist? Curiosity, asking questions, not getting the right answer, deciding to find out for yourself, making a mistake, not giving up, and learning patience - it was all there.

(From the "Speech for History".)

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Post by mdp2021 »

kulahan wrote: post #51
Cuuugi wrote: post #32

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The full saga is humourous. from wiki. Gary Larson cartoon incident One of Gary Larson's Far Side cartoons shows two chimpanzees grooming. One finds a blonde human hair on the other and inquires, "Conducting a little more 'research' with that Jane Goodall tramp?"[114] Goodall herself was in Africa at the time. The Jane Goodall Institute thought the cartoon was in bad taste and had its lawyers draft a letter to Larson…

Everyone's fighting for Jane Goodall but Jane Goodall apparently

Yes, it's the typical behaviour of "those who saw the Master" (which they may have forgotten "came to see the sick") - a pretty well known tendency in humanoids.

Re-watch "Life of Brian".

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Post by quietbritishjim »

bobmcnamara wrote: post #71
aethrum wrote: post #57

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crazy how you can just be this alive one year and then dead the next. I get 91 is old, but still

People don't think it's like that but it is, for all of us, eventually.

By "this alive" I think they meant physically active and wits about her despite her age. For many of us, unfortunately, it's not like that eventually: a slow and complete deterioration even before death.

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Post by mdp2021 »

typpilol wrote: post #98
IncreasePosts wrote: post #64

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Frodo also impregnated his own mother https://blog.michael-lawrence-wilson.com/2014/01/19/frodo-30...

How did they not put him down after he killed an infant? That's crazy

Those with organs for judgement are found as liabilities when said judgement structure is faulty and they can be responsible for damage.

Those which are structurally whimsical - well, if you had to deal them as liabilities, then you would have to do it preemptively (it may not be that it's Chimpy that is so brutal - they just can be brutal).

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Post by rldjbpin »

mapmeld wrote: post #7

I really appreciated her speaking to young people, even riding the NYC subway for the first time to record "Subway Takes" last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAkwo6JPV00 She also was speaking on a panel just a week ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df0GWlZm3gk

i can still recall when she came to visit my high school to address its students many moons ago. it was quite an experience that still left a mark till this day.

she was quite an example of how anyone can impact the world while just doing what they love.

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Post by juttern »

swiftcoder wrote: post #170
juttern wrote: post #164

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Humans are humans, at the end of the day. Especially as someone who grew up at the height of EU open borders, I'm not real bothered which side of an imaginary line on a map someone happened to be born on

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

Antibabelic wrote: post #156
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #109

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>The only way we return to this level is de-industrialization. Unfortunately, we will return to that level. Then 25 years later, we'll be only half that number (or worse). >all of his predictions turned out to be dead wrong. Hilariously wrong, you mean. I especially like the ones about how the UK would be filled with cannibal savages by the 1980s, because everyone would be starving.

> Unfortunately, we will return to that level. Then 25 years later, we'll be only half that number (or worse). What are your main reasons for thinking that?

There is a very simple metric, called "fertility rate". It is the average number of children born per woman over her entire lifetime. Since the male/female ratio in humans is nearly 1:1, she has to have 2 children (one to replace herself, one for the corresponding man) plus a tiny bit of extra... usually said to be about 2.1 children.

If she has fewer than that, population is shrinking, each generation is smaller than the last. In China and other parts of East Asia (not just China, this isn't the One Child Policy and its effects), it's already at or below 1.0. Heading that way everywhere else. This isn't a prediction, it's already happening. And in Europe, in North America, everywhere but a few countries in Africa (and they're trending towards this too).

This is real, I would say it can't be denied or ignored except most people are ignorant and in denial. Low fertility rates can become social norms, they do become social norms, and after that they never raise back to safe/healthy ones. Little children grow up thinking that having one child or no children at all is normal and they do not buck the trend when they become adults themselves. It's how humans become extinct.

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Post by boxerab »

andrepd wrote: post #162
boxerab wrote: post #63

“We cannot hide away from human population growth, because it underlies so many of the other problems. All these things we talk about wouldn’t be a problem if the world was the size of the population that there was 500 years ago.” -- Goodall at 2002 WEF panel discussion on Amazon rainforest The population 500 years ago was around 500 million. The only way we return to this level is de-industrialization. Paul Ehrlich…

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"freedom-hating vegan commie" - this is what is known as a straw man. Hopefully you will develop a little more nuance in your thinking.

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Post by cutemonster »

jimbokun wrote: post #82
adriand wrote: post #37

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She was one of my heroes. I'm terribly saddened by this loss. Imagine what kind of world we would live in if we put these kinds of human beings in charge instead.

The first nations to do so would be invaded and conquered by their more militaristic neighbors.

Not necessarily! You can be both a kind person, and build a strong defence, knowing how dangerous our species is. Although maybe rare.

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Post by jimbokun »

cutemonster wrote: post #179
jimbokun wrote: post #82

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The first nations to do so would be invaded and conquered by their more militaristic neighbors.

Not necessarily! You can be both a kind person, and build a strong defence, knowing how dangerous our species is. Although maybe rare.

But would Jane Goodall have been that person?
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