Who watches the watchmen?
Well according to the exceptions in chat control: Nobody
Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording
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Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording
#172We should have a Larry Cam then like from the movie Ed TV.
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well in part because Israel acts like a police state supported by a lot of Orwellian technology
Example: https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_(spyware)
If the targets are in other countries, deployed by other countries, I don't think this is a good example.
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#174Larry Ellison is ultra-pro Israel if you didn't know. He and others are pushing for Bari Weiss take a key role at CBS to better "defend Israel": https://nypost.com/2025/09/19/media/shari-redstone-says-bari... And many people are worried about a similar type of agenda setting at TikTok now: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/will-tiktoks-new-own... Netanyahu, for his part, believes it is super consequential for E…
If anybody even insinuates that Weiss or Ellison have dual loyalty because of this they will be accused of anti-semitism. The hard truth is that weaponizing your money — earned largely from Americans — to aid a foreign country at the expense of America is about as un-American as it gets. Aside from the potentially valid argument that your voice shouldn’t be louder just because you are a billionaire — you are corrupti…
I think most of the pro-Israel crowd legitimately believe that Israel's interests are aligned with the U.S.'s interests. The same with Canada, the U.K., and Australia. We share a set of values.
Israel does a lot of dirty work in fighting back against the darker forces of middle east terrorism, and it's reasonable to believe it is in the U.S.'s interest to let Israel do that work rather than take it on itself. It is a similar argument to why the U.S. should back Ukraine in the fight against Russia.
You can of course disagree with the above (arguing against interventionism; the risk of blowback; that Israel is creating more terrorism than it is solving; etc.), but I truly don't believe that any of the pro-Israel crowd believes they are acting against the U.S. interest.
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#175I'm afraid to comment due to the fact that an AI may attach a negative tag to my internet-wide profile/record.
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#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
> People do act differently when they know they are being watched I really want to see more evidence for this. People act differently when they face consequences. More surveillance without enforcement wouldn’t be expected to positively change behaviour.
behavior will only get worse once people figure out that enforcement will either be entirely selective (based on the friends of whoever controls the programming) or entirely arbitrary. people will wish for anarcho-tyranny.
This. All that will happen is that if you come to the wrong person's attention your 'record' will be checked and consequences leveled. Too much happens in the world for our system to punish everyone. But to be able to selectively punish whoever you want at the push of a button, that is power. Maybe you didn't do anything. But your kids? Your business partners? Someone did something, if we record/save everything and look closely. Even if you are perfect we can make you a pariah if it get's known that anyone around you risks themselves/their children getting backlash for associating with you.
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#177Larry Ellison is ultra-pro Israel if you didn't know. He and others are pushing for Bari Weiss take a key role at CBS to better "defend Israel": https://nypost.com/2025/09/19/media/shari-redstone-says-bari... And many people are worried about a similar type of agenda setting at TikTok now: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/will-tiktoks-new-own... Netanyahu, for his part, believes it is super consequential for E…
what does this have to do with the story?
> what does this have to do with the story?
Historical precedent:
> It was the first conflict in which military action was precipitated by media involvement. The war grew out of U.S. interest in a fight for revolution between the Spanish military and citizens of their Cuban colony. American newspapers fanned the flames of interest in the war by fabricating atrocities which justified intervention in a number of Spanish colonies worldwide.
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_propaganda_of_the_Spa...
* https://history.state.gov/milestones/1866-1898/yellow-journa...
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It's "simply impossible" because people like you make new accounts and use words like "vermin". You are not helping!
What others have been doing thus far has not been helping either. The problem just gets worse every passing day. How many have to be killed using American money until this problem is eradicated?
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
Example: https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_(spyware)
If the targets are in other countries, deployed by other countries, I don't think this is a good example.
Better example? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/25/microsoft-bloc...
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#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even if we are, if there are trillionaires (on the long scale) or quadrillionaires, there will still be vast (problematic[1]) inequality. [1] Problematic in the sense that the persons holding such vast wealth seem to go bonkers AND for the problems inequality leads to for society
I guess I forgot my /s
Well understood!