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Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by suyash »

jjulius wrote: post #140
songeater wrote: post #107

Tools like Suno are fundamentally enabling. I'm about 40 years old and never "had the music" - not for lack of trying (music lessons at a young age)... but could never carry a tune or keep rhythm. I suppose its what being dyslexic feels like. If I were educated in a culture where music was fundamentally as important as reading or math, I suppose would have spent enough hours on it to eventually be passable... but I g…

>... but "learning Suno" is no different than "learning guitar". No it absolutely is not.

The difference shows up when you perform - perform with Suno on stage and then with Guitar, you will know then.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by lloeki »

j4coh wrote: post #156
npinsker wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see it as like having the answer key to every homework assignment for a course. It's easy to convince yourself that it doesn't hurt learning -- but there's probably a reason the answers aren't given to you. The struggle, the experience of "being stuck", the ability to understand why things don't work -- may be necessary precursors to true understanding. We're seeing pretty discouraging results from people who are l…

I guess it’s similar to learning by watching masters on YouTube - I’m convinced that passively watching them causes the illusion in the viewer that they are also capable of the same, but if they were to actually try they miss all the little details and experience that makes their performance possible. Watching a chess GM play, for example, can make you feel like you understand what’s happening but if you don’t actual…

It gets very real very quickly with skateboarding. You can watch all the YouTube and Instagram you want about how to do an Ollie or a kickflip in 30s; now go out and try.

The learning is in the failing; the satisfaction of landing it is in the journey that put you there.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by poulpy123 »

songeater wrote: post #107

Tools like Suno are fundamentally enabling. I'm about 40 years old and never "had the music" - not for lack of trying (music lessons at a young age)... but could never carry a tune or keep rhythm. I suppose its what being dyslexic feels like. If I were educated in a culture where music was fundamentally as important as reading or math, I suppose would have spent enough hours on it to eventually be passable... but I g…

Well that's nice for you but you did absolutely nothing musically. It's like applying a filter "paint" on a picture and calling yourself painter

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by bob1029 »

Generative AI for low level things like creating samples seems reasonable. Mastering and composition is where this starts to jump the shark. The idea that a machine learning model will be responsible for figuring out what the final mix should sound like is insane to me.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by poulpy123 »

visarga wrote: post #128
vunderba wrote: post #119

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If you enjoy it, I'd leave it at that - that's all that matters. It's a pretty absurd claim to say that learning Suno is no different than learning a musical instrument. My 8 year old nephew was cranking out "songs" in Suno within an hour of being introduced to it. Reminds me of when parents were super impressed that their 3-year old could use an iPad. Generative tools (visual, auditory, etc.) can serve as powerful t…

> My 8 year old nephew was cranking out "songs" in Suno within an hour of being introduced to it. Reminds me of when parents were super impressed that their 3-year old could use an iPad. You imply "it is Prompt -> Song" but in reality it is "Prompt -> Song -> Reflection -> New Prompt -> New Song.." It is a dialogue. And in a dialogue you can get some places where neither of you could go alone. As software developers…

clicking on a button until you like what you hear is not "making music". I have nothing against these tools, but the hubris of the people using them is insane

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by unglaublich »

jsheard wrote: post #35
tummler wrote: post #19

Suno is moving toward becoming a browser-based DAW that happens to use AI. There are already more capable and established DAWs, and I see no reason they can't implement AI into their workflows-- in a more precise manner, where it's actually useful, instead of wholesale as a gimmick. Many are already doing this. So I don't understand where Suno is going with any of this. It either needs to be: 1. So easy anyone can pr…

> It either needs to be: 1. So easy anyone can press a button and magically get exactly what they want with perfect accuracy and quality. 2. So robust and powerful it enables new kinds of music production and super-charges human producers. Don't forget the secret third option - facilitate a tidal wave of empty-calorie content which saturates every avenue for discovery and "wins" purely by drowning everything else out…

Reminds me of the saying about propaganda that argues it's not about convincing, but about drowning out the rest.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by protocolture »

poulpy123 wrote: post #175
visarga wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My 8 year old nephew was cranking out "songs" in Suno within an hour of being introduced to it. Reminds me of when parents were super impressed that their 3-year old could use an iPad. You imply "it is Prompt -> Song" but in reality it is "Prompt -> Song -> Reflection -> New Prompt -> New Song.." It is a dialogue. And in a dialogue you can get some places where neither of you could go alone. As software developers…

clicking on a button until you like what you hear is not "making music". I have nothing against these tools, but the hubris of the people using them is insane

Refining a request that generates music, is "making music" however you slice it.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

songeater wrote: post #107

Tools like Suno are fundamentally enabling. I'm about 40 years old and never "had the music" - not for lack of trying (music lessons at a young age)... but could never carry a tune or keep rhythm. I suppose its what being dyslexic feels like. If I were educated in a culture where music was fundamentally as important as reading or math, I suppose would have spent enough hours on it to eventually be passable... but I g…

> but "learning Suno" is no different than "learning guitar"

Ehh... No.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

protocolture wrote: post #177
poulpy123 wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

clicking on a button until you like what you hear is not "making music". I have nothing against these tools, but the hubris of the people using them is insane

Refining a request that generates music, is "making music" however you slice it.

If so, then twiddling the radio knob is also "making music".
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