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Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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As a European, I don't mind this getting passed anymore. I'll just go around it like I do for many other laws. Enforcing laws in the EU is a total joke, even if this passes, no one will care. Signal will probably add an option to circumvent this like they have for other laws in countries that block signal itself. So, Europe, if you really want this, go ahead and spy on the majority of the people, I'll just keep using…

Signal will stop sending confirmation SMSes to european phone numbers, unfortunately.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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> Varoufakis had a very important take: that Europe needs to learn to survive post-EU. Wasn't he the Greek Minister of Finance that was supposed to be a game theory genius, but was completely incapable of understanding why his proposals were politically impossible?

Why politically impossible? You can argue economically impossible, but the referendum overwhelmingly voted to reject the bailout package

Greece already received something like 50% haircuts on the debt. Politically Greek people voting on something has no influence on the rest of the population of the EU. If Greece had more of its debt written off then other countries would want the same. Hence it wasn't politically possible for those on the other side of the negotiations to give this to Greece.

The only real hand Greece had was to simply refuse the bailouts and refuse to pay the debts. In that case they would have been cut off from international bond markets, they would have had to renounce the Euro and start using a different currency.

All that was possible, but the Greek government could see the obvious - it would have been far worse than what was on offer.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Client side scanning of the device, before messages are encrypted and sent on the wire. Think of the other implication to this - now these countries who adopt it have the means to spy on communications from every person in the world who communicates with an EU citizen.

It's just completely bonkers from start to finish.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Meanwhile the most prosperous nations in Europe are not part of the EU. It is good you are asking how to avoid the EU turning into a totalitarian state, which is the way it is currently heading. I don’t think it’s possible.

what are these "most prosperous nations" ?

Switzerland, Norway.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Just making sure everybody realises (because the comment sounds a tad sarcastic), but that comment is completely true - the politicians have quite seriously exempted themselves and certain types of people.

What other certain types of people?

I don’t exactly recall all of them but I believe it was people doing things to do with “national security” so things like intelligence orgs, certain government orgs, military etc…

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

#179

What I don't understand is, why don't the authorities think the actual bad guys will avoid the surveillance? It seems to me that organized crime will find their own solution, and the rest of us will occasionally have a snooping policeman checking our private messages. It's not unknown, even in Denmark, that people who are given access to private data will abuse it, eg snooping on ex girlfriends, that kind of thing. W…

I had a similar debate with a friend of mine over a age verification law recently passed in Brazil. It mandates age verification for social media in order to restrict teenagers and children access to adult content, for example, or any other content that violates teenagers rights.

The law in question (PL2628/2022) doesn't mention CSAM or sexualized/erotic content depicting children or teenager by name. It's broader than that, it mentions that any content deemed offensive to children/teenagers, or that violates their rights as defined in the Estatuto da Criança e do Adolescente, should be removed by social media.

My friend supports the law because he thinks it will stop 99.9% of the bad guys looking for CSAM on the internet because he believes they get their content from Instagram. I tried to explain to him the law won't do shit to stop the bad guys but instead just add more surveillance to people who aren't doing anything wrong, but he doesn't want to accept it, and even called me out saying I look like a defender of the bad guys, simply for the fact that I don't think mass surveillance and age verification of people is enough to stop wrongdoers on the internet, or to protect children.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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post #168

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Full stop? Lol. The right-wing groyper theory is completely dead. Tyler Robinson is a leftist who killed in the name of his leftism. None of the evidence contradicts it.

What evidence do you have that he "killed in the name of his leftism?" As far as I know, there is no evidence of a specific "leftist" motive and no connection has been found to "leftist" organizations. Bear in mind that many Christians were opposed to Charlie Kirk's politics, and right-wingers didn't feel he went far enough. So that alone isn't evidence of "killing in the name of his leftism." The memes aren't hard e…

Yes, you're cherry-picking, hand-waving, and a week behind in the publicly known evidence.

I'd entertain steelman arguments for these theories using all available evidence but I've yet to see anyone do it.

At any rate, were a long way from "full stop" and you seem to be lashing out in the dark so I'm content to leave it here.

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