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Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by superkuh »

robinhood wrote: post #101
xandrius wrote: post #86

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There is no way you didn't write this comment while laughing out loud. For-profit companies care about profits for their shareholders, that's it. Heck, even non-profit often tend to value more profit than their integrity or cause but that's a topic for another day. I wish this wasn't the case but even good-willed individuals at the helm of for-profits are forced to pursue profit and avoid anything clearly leading to…

I'm sorry you see the world that way.

Those of us who get blocked from access services (government, commercial, personal) by cloudflare nearly every day have the lived experience to really understand the issue and the company. Most are blissfully unaware of their lack of experience. If you stick to corporate browsers you'd never know. It's not your fault, but maybe reflect on this lack of experience before commenting with so much confidence.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by slipheen »

whitepaint wrote: post #154
Perz1val wrote: post #128

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Yes, but ubuntu made stupid choices most developers don't agree with

Like what?

The big one for me is moving packages to snap. You can work around it, but that defeats the whole “works out of the box” aspect

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by epistasis »

jorvi wrote: post #123
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #87

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To add to this, Apple’s share of the control is minimal and precarious. A timeline where Google is the sole web engine authority could easily become reality and is even likely. Hedging on a promising upstart makes a lot of sense.

Google doesn't have control of Chromium though. The source is available and it is permissively licensed. If they did something truly onerous, Microsoft would fork it within hours and everyone would switch their upstream to Edgium. The only reason Google calls the shots is because they pour billions of dollars into maintaining Chromium. The fact that they can do that (and even fund Firefox at the same time) is because…

> Microsoft would fork it within hours and everyone would switch their upstream to Edgium.

Why would people trust Microsoft more than Google, though? Even with really bad actions, switching browsers is very difficult (i.e. it requires making an active choice and change about an obscure topic) and I don't see normal people doing it, which is what would be required for this to happen.

Microsoft can't get any traction for Edge even with the pushiness on their OS and massive market share. I recently installed Windows 11 on a box and even searching for Chrome had the top portion of the screen show "You don't need a different browser!" at the top of Bing. Did that stop me? No. Not going to use a Microsoft browser, thanks.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by jwhiles »

lavela wrote: post #11
ForHackernews wrote: post #2

Ladybird is great, but Omarchy is a weird choice. Why can't DHH / Basecamp sponsor David's hobby distro if he wants? The browser ecosystem is dangerously centralized and another independent rendering engine would be welcome. In contrast, I don't see the value in yet another flavor-of-the-week Linux distro. Even sponsoring Arch directly would make more sense here.

Openly aligning with DHH is certainly a choice. After all being created by DHH is the only feature they list on their website. Didn't care for the DHH controversies for a long time but if you start writing white national blog posts[1] I don't know what to say anymore. [1] https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64

DHH very keen to demonstrate to all Londoners that he’s not been to London

edit: and also is a tool

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by chucky_z »

overfeed wrote: post #153
bigyabai wrote: post #107

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Apple isn't the only one standing in the way of a Google hegemony. If they are, then the web is already fucked since neither corporation has a benevolent track record pertaining to Open Source. Apple just can't compete without steering privileges that are equally harmful to the open web.

> If they are, then the web is already fucked since neither corporation has a benevolent track record pertaining to Open Source. Interesting take, since Google has both authored and supported hundreds of FLOSS projects over many years. They even sponsored summer "internships" for students to contribute to Open Source software as long as a maintainer bothered to register and promise to mentor the student via "Summer o…

As someone who's lived in the bay for a bit over 10 years now, when I first moved here Google was very much that company that you think they were. Now, they are not. Every single friend (and it was >50% when I moved here!) has since left Google in the bay area. There is one left at Google entirely, and they're only remaining due to physical location (near family outside the US). I have watched my friends get brutally and relentlessly pipped over the tiniest bullshit reasons. This is all entirely 2nd hand so my perspective is very skewed, but even my friends from Facebook/Netflix/Apple weren't treated that way.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by pmdr »

femiagbabiaka wrote: post #35

I cannot for the life of me understand the Omarchy hype. The Linux community has been theming their distribution installs for decades. What distinguishes this from that?

The Linux community has, to my knowledge, never had someone with DHH's outreach experience and promote a "come-to-Linux" moment. Especially after using Apple products for 20 years.

Also, it has sane, sensible and appealing defaults. It's installable in a few minutes, so it saves time. I'm a happy Omakub user, even if I first used Linux back in 2005.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by youngtaff »

leoc wrote: post #121
nemomarx wrote: post #68

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Is Ladybird a tech right thing?

I wouldn't describe it as such, but that's not what matters here. Andreas Kling has been out championing the anti-anti-Charlie-Kirk cause on Twitter, so it's a safe bet that the Lundukish grassroots anti-wokes see him as one of theirs. Whether he has any juice with the right-wing VC set I don't know.

Someone should do some digging into GamerGate…

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by sauercrowd »

pkulak wrote: post #167

Why is it that Servo has been around for ages, chugging along, making progress, and then Ladybird comes along and gets, pretty much instantly, anointed as the last great hope against Chrome? What does everyone else know about Servo that I don't?

I can think of two reasons - it's a browser engine, not a browser - it was created and maintained for the longest time by mozilla, before the linux foundation took over a couple years ago. That creates history and governance that I could image puts of contributors or the broader excitement

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by tracker1 »

jorvi wrote: post #74
oefrha wrote: post #43

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Responding to a dead comment from a banned account: > The big new game for them is AI crawler metering. Don’t think browser matters much anymore from their perspective. Truly open browsers are easy to spoof. Approved browsers with whatever attestation features they champion builtin are hard to spoof. So browsers do matter. Edit: authentication => attestation for accuracy.

Browser attestation doesn't really matter, its device attestation. Browser attestation is downstream from that. Google with SafetyNet attestation (whatever the hell its called these days) has pretty much locked down Android as tightly as iOS at this point. Hell, Apple device users already get to go in the internet "approved" fast lane because of attestation. iDevices and M-series Macbooks can send out a special respo…

I haven't notice too many captchas from Linux myself... maybe about 50% more than Windows or Mac, but in general it hasn't been so bad. I do think that it could potentially get bad though.

I'm also not sure how this can/would shake out when you can just use tools like Playwright/Puppeteer to manage a real browser. Both Google and MS do this (not as much as bare crawlers) to handle SPA-like site content.

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