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Post by mapontosevenths »

dragonwriter wrote: post #60
mapontosevenths wrote: post #45

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This. Their arbitrary nature is designed to consolidate executive branch authority that can be welded as a weapon against corporations that might consider supporting his opposition in the future. It's a classic fascist ploy, and is further proof that executive orders should be banned. In America we do not have kings who rule by decree, or at least we should not..

Banning executive orders is nonsense; you can’t have an executive branch with a head and prohibit the head from giving direction to the rest of the executive branch. Executive orders that violate, or direct the violation of, existing law are illegal (or, at least, without legal effect) to the extent they do that, but whether or not a particular order meets that description is frequently a matter of dispute, which can…

> Banning executive orders is nonsense; you can’t have an executive branch with a head and prohibit the head from giving direction to the rest of the executive branch.

Sort of. The executive order was originally used for routine administrative orders. Later their usage expanded, but they were still required to be based on either an expressed or implied congressional law, or the constitution itself.

Now, presidents use them to invent law from scratch as Kings once did. They often do so under the flimsiest of pretense, if they bother with pretense at all.

It is this type that should be banned, or more accuratly: existing laws should be enforced.

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Post by readthenotes1 »

titzer wrote: post #151
yibg wrote: post #102

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I hope majority of the voting population sees this for what it is. The question is is there anything that can be done about it. There is midterms but that's a long ways out, especially at the speed things are moving now. Congress isn't keeping the executive branch in check, neither is the judiciary.

As it turns out, power without accountability inevitably leads to corruption. There is no functioning mechanism in operation today that forces the government to follow the law. Any law. Not even the constitution.

Power doesn't corrupt; it reveals.

-- Robert Caro

Re: Microsoft memo advises H1B employees to return immediately if currently abroad

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Post by rayiner »

13415 wrote: post #162
rayiner wrote: post #153

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> English is an official language of India, of course Indians are much more likely to seek work in the UK and the US than people from Latin America. The U.S. is also much closer to Latin America, and has a large Latino community already. The disparity in H1bs (70% versus 2% for Mexico/Brazil/Colombia) is just too huge to explain by language preferences. > since India has the largest population of all countries, those…

This is the most desperate and feeble attempt to save an argument I've seen in a long time. How about you try find some actual evidence to support your claims instead these wild constructions. > The disparity in H1bs (70% versus 2% for Mexico/Brazil/Colombia) is just too huge to explain by language preferences. You base your position on these kind "hunches"? "Just too huge to explain". No, it isn't just too huge to e…

The second largest recipient of h1bs in 2025 was Cognizant, an Indian company that was found liable by a jury for favoring Indian workers: https://insider.govtech.com/california/news/jury-finds-discr...

Re: Microsoft memo advises H1B employees to return immediately if currently abroad

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Post by mapontosevenths »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #75
dragonwriter wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Banning executive orders is nonsense; you can’t have an executive branch with a head and prohibit the head from giving direction to the rest of the executive branch. Executive orders that violate, or direct the violation of, existing law are illegal (or, at least, without legal effect) to the extent they do that, but whether or not a particular order meets that description is frequently a matter of dispute, which can…

> Executive orders that violate, or direct the violation of, existing law are illegal But now we run into the question of What is illegality without ethical-centric courts?

This actually misses the mark. They don't need simply to be legal, they need to have been based upon an existing law or the constitution to be enforceable. In the US the executive can not create law.

That's the theory anyhow. As you mention, the courts now just obey the executive rather than acting as a check and balance as intended.

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Post by rendx »

IamLoading wrote: post #161
rendx wrote: post #128

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"Section 1. Restriction on Entry. (a) Pursuant to sections 212(f) and 215(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), 8 U.S.C. 1182(f) and 1185(a), the entry into the United States of aliens as nonimmigrants to perform services in a specialty occupation under section 101(a)(15)(H)(i)(b) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(15)(H)(i)(b), is restricted, except for those aliens whose petitions are accompanied or supplement…

it was corrected by Karoline. Very surprising, when they announced it yesterday, they universally said for all. https://x.com/PressSec/status/1969494255857987597

Well, things are insane these days, but it used to be that you correct a law by correcting the law. I do not see any corrections in the legal text, which should be the only basis. And when it is not, you're not living in a functioning society.

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Post by rsynnott »

rendx wrote: post #175
IamLoading wrote: post #161

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it was corrected by Karoline. Very surprising, when they announced it yesterday, they universally said for all. https://x.com/PressSec/status/1969494255857987597

Well, things are insane these days, but it used to be that you correct a law by correcting the law. I do not see any corrections in the legal text, which should be the only basis. And when it is not, you're not living in a functioning society.

I mean, I think ol’ minihands crossed that particular Rubicon some time ago.

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Post by 13415 »

rayiner wrote: post #173
13415 wrote: post #162

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This is the most desperate and feeble attempt to save an argument I've seen in a long time. How about you try find some actual evidence to support your claims instead these wild constructions. > The disparity in H1bs (70% versus 2% for Mexico/Brazil/Colombia) is just too huge to explain by language preferences. You base your position on these kind "hunches"? "Just too huge to explain". No, it isn't just too huge to e…

The second largest recipient of h1bs in 2025 was Cognizant, an Indian company that was found liable by a jury for favoring Indian workers: https://insider.govtech.com/california/news/jury-finds-discr...

Now you're replacing a general statement about a whole subcontinent with one individual case of a company from this year. I'm done with that conversation. Have a good day!

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Post by commiepatrol »

monero-xmr wrote: post #24

Finally, the best and brightest minds in the world can stay in their home countries and improve them, rather than brain drain the nation that raised them. What a blessing for those of us who care about the world!

Amen, in fact to help the best and brightest even more I would encourage to enforce this for even existing visa holders. Let the world be a better place sooner!

Re: Microsoft memo advises H1B employees to return immediately if currently abroad

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Post by rayiner »

13415 wrote: post #177
rayiner wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The second largest recipient of h1bs in 2025 was Cognizant, an Indian company that was found liable by a jury for favoring Indian workers: https://insider.govtech.com/california/news/jury-finds-discr...

Now you're replacing a general statement about a whole subcontinent with one individual case of a company from this year. I'm done with that conversation. Have a good day!

Cognizant is the second largest recipient of H1bs, accounting for almost 5% of all H1bs approved in 2024. So we have outcomes that don’t make sense (one country receiving 70% of H1bs) plus proven discrimination against American workers by the second largest H1b visa recipient.

I’m an armchair commenter, not a federal prosecutor. But this all seems very fishy. If I were in the administration, I’d start investigating all the major H1b employers to see whether there’s preferential hiring of Indians going on.

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Post by Our_Benefactors »

nojito wrote: post #146
Our_Benefactors wrote: post #139

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This proves the first part of your claim, not the second (which is wild speculation and no data exists)

The US has successfully brain-drained the rest of the world over the last 20 years. https://nfap.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/The-Impact-of-H-...

Non sequiter.

What you said was “If H1B is gone we will see a decrease in wages not an increase.”

Then you said other random stuff that didn’t prove that statement in any way.

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