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Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by artursapek »

ori_b wrote: post #163
tw04 wrote: post #146

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> Watching that video, the first thought I have is "So much engineering and I still need to buy a phone case with my new phone?" You can buy a $400m yacht and still need buoys when you dock it. Unless you want a phone that comes with a pre-installed rubber bumper around the outside, or we have some humanity altering discoveries in transparent materials science, you’re always going to have a case. Gravity and concrete…

> Unless you want a phone that comes with a pre-installed rubber bumper around the outside Sure, why not? If there's going to be a rubber bumper anyways, why wouldn't I want the manufacturer to ship it?

I’d rather have it be a separate, replaceable product.

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by artursapek »

Tokumei-no-hito wrote: post #89
lejohnq wrote: post #76

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I’ve been caseless for a while and have had a couple of drops and the phone has been fine. When I eventually upgrade my phone, I’ll probably stay caseless, or add minimal protection. Mainly cause if the increasingly rare catastrophic drop happens, it’d be unpleasant to deal with. I do like some cases for their design elements, I might use one to just further personalize my phone.

i was for a while too. but the shift back to aluminum does not bode well for caseless. deep scratches are trivial and drops will immediately lead to heavy dents. that being said the screen itself is incredibly tough so it will be usable. before (stainless / titanium) you could go caseless without concern. the most i ever had happen was a little crack on the back

The aluminum helps protect the glass - it absorbs the shock.

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by nojs »

cj wrote: post #32
Wistar wrote: post #3

Last night I encountered a 3 min+ ad on YT about the construction of the iPhone 17 Pro. A few seconds were devoted to the cooling system. I watched the whole thing. It was better than the video it interrupted. https://youtu.be/_-AS5DtDeqs?si=rTfubRDArVupqREt

Watching that video, the first thought I have is "So much engineering and I still need to buy a phone case with my new phone?" I'm guessing phone cases are still pretty much required if you drop your phone once or twice a month onto cement/asphalt/marble/etc from pocket height. I would be really curious to hear the internal debate at Apple wrt design tradeoffs + durability. E.g. how much of the iPhone design is only…

> I'm guessing phone cases are still pretty much required if you drop your phone once or twice a month onto cement/asphalt/marble/etc from pocket height.

This hasn’t been true for a while with iPhones. I drop mine about this often, and after a few years it’s a little scratched but otherwise fine.

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by DrammBA »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #164
tw04 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Watching that video, the first thought I have is "So much engineering and I still need to buy a phone case with my new phone?" You can buy a $400m yacht and still need buoys when you dock it. Unless you want a phone that comes with a pre-installed rubber bumper around the outside, or we have some humanity altering discoveries in transparent materials science, you’re always going to have a case. Gravity and concrete…

Saying "gravity and concrete are undefeated" is not explanatory. In 25+ years of carrying a naked mobile phone everywhere I've never broken one. My lifestyle theoretically exposes me to significantly greater risk of damage than the average person too. I view phones as semi-disposable devices, so I take no special care or precautions. I am eternally baffled as to why people need cases on their phones. The observation…

> I am eternally baffled as to why people need cases on their phones. > I view phones as semi-disposable devices, so I take no special care or precautions.

Have you considered that for other people phones are a significant financial investment?

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by ziml77 »

cj wrote: post #49
ziml77 wrote: post #44

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How do you propose making a device that people wouldn't feel the need to put a case on? You could make the whole thing out of rubber but that's still going to take cosmetic damage that people want to protect the device from. You could make it easy to replace that rubber... but at what point is that not just functionally the same as a case?

> How do you propose making a device that people wouldn't feel the need to put a case on? If the screen were reasonably scratch + shatter proof, I think most people wouldn't feel the need to wear a case.

A few years back I fumbled my iPhone so badly that when I tried to catch it I knocked it further up in the air. It flew up dropped all the way down to the concrete subway platform I was on, landing face down. It was loud and worrisome, but the phone was perfectly fine outside of some scratches on the lip of aluminum around the screen.

So it seems like the screens are not easily broken anymore. Though that event did lead to me using a case on my next phone just to avoid chancing cosmetic damage on it.

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by garbagewoman »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #164
tw04 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Watching that video, the first thought I have is "So much engineering and I still need to buy a phone case with my new phone?" You can buy a $400m yacht and still need buoys when you dock it. Unless you want a phone that comes with a pre-installed rubber bumper around the outside, or we have some humanity altering discoveries in transparent materials science, you’re always going to have a case. Gravity and concrete…

Saying "gravity and concrete are undefeated" is not explanatory. In 25+ years of carrying a naked mobile phone everywhere I've never broken one. My lifestyle theoretically exposes me to significantly greater risk of damage than the average person too. I view phones as semi-disposable devices, so I take no special care or precautions. I am eternally baffled as to why people need cases on their phones. The observation…

What a trivial thing to be “eternally baffled” by

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by garbagewoman »

willejs wrote: post #158
sroussey wrote: post #149

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I don’t use a case. It’s fine.

Neither do i, i drop it often, throw it about and its fine. Everyone goes mad and is surprised, but whats the point if buying a nice phone then covering it in a case.

Usability. Phones without a case are very easy to lose grip on. Cases often help with that.

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by garbagewoman »

selectodude wrote: post #133
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #129

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I go caseless just because of sheer amount of bulk cases add, even the "thin" ones. It significantly impacts how easy the device is to hold and pocket. The Air I might consider putting a bumper case on since its thinness offsets the bulk increase, but it's specifically made to be resilient to drops so it's a coin toss even with that. I barely drop my phone though, it happens maybe twice a year, usually on carpet. In…

My case is AppleCare+.

That seems wasteful

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by garbagewoman »

shpx wrote: post #145
Aurornis wrote: post #65

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Cases are great because everyone can get one that matches their risk level and frequency of drops. Having a sacrificial outer layer that I can replace for $10 is also preferable to letting the $1000 phone take the damage.

You usually just need to replace the front or back glass, which is $30 with Apple Care or $60 for both, not the entire iPhone. I crack mine about once a year.

Ever thought about getting a case and lowering your carbon footprint?

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by garbagewoman »

frizlab wrote: post #78
lejohnq wrote: post #76

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I’ve been caseless for a while and have had a couple of drops and the phone has been fine. When I eventually upgrade my phone, I’ll probably stay caseless, or add minimal protection. Mainly cause if the increasingly rare catastrophic drop happens, it’d be unpleasant to deal with. I do like some cases for their design elements, I might use one to just further personalize my phone.

I have been caseless forever. If I drop the phone and it breaks I’ll bring it to repairs (I used to do it myself but it’s more complicated now and I don’t have the time anymore anyways).

Have you heard about cases? They prevent damage
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