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Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by rdtsc »

OutOfHere wrote: post #44
epistasis wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The FCC chair threatening your broadcast license is a pretty good "excuse". There wasn't a public outcry, it was a government outcry along with threats along multiple lines of leverage.

> The FCC chair threatening your broadcast license That's a clear violation of the First Amendment.

As it turns out the government can dictate how the broadcast frequencies are used, including dictate things about the content. The company could have switched to online only and continued the show. Heck, they should have called uncle sam's bluff maybe and see what happened.

They are not sending Jimmy to gulag or arresting him. Jimmy can still continue his show just maybe on his own youtube channel or his own online platform or something.

Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

billfor wrote: post #165
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Broadcasters have a license from the government to use the airwaves and they are obligated to act in the public interest. So some restrictions apply to them. Necessarily. Carr threatened to revoke licenses based on the political speech of ABC. That's clearly unconstitutional. Trump followed up by saying licenses should be revoked for criticism of himself. Unitary President cuts both ways. If this is okay, the next…

Fox news doesn't have a broadcast license. ABC does. As with redistricting, democrats are limited because things are already biased in their favor. Broadcast networks are all center-left at this point, if not then show me one major broadcaster that is center right. Democrats basically have nobody to go after. To your point, The Democrats, when back in power, could extend licensing issues into cableTV, etc... and atte…

> would argue the Biden administration already attempted to do a form of this, as we saw with Facebook, Twitter, et al, the last administration certainly tried influencing the online arena

Not comparable. That said, I agree—if this precedent stands, there should be personal liability for Newsmax commenters under a future administration. (And, of course, they should be barred from federal property.)

One would also go after the online streaming companies to delist their content. Google and Meta are constantly under antitrust controlled. TikTok is government owned. And you could start knocking on X with its money-transfer ambitions and Elon’s robotaxi approvals (to say nothing of federal contracts).

Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by nothrabannosir »

christophilus wrote: post #106
nerdponx wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wasn't controversial, but this is literally the textbook Manufacturing Consent model. The small number of people in positions of power at the network are either overtly aligned with the president that he just talked bad about, or want to stay or get on the president's good side. He doesn't even need to pick up the phone or post anything on social media, they know what they need to do.

Unless everyone at the top has been fired, ABC and Disney are not remotely aligned with the president. A short while ago, they were boycotted by the right for their slanted debate hosting and woke children’s programming.

Those two could be entirely compatible if it turns out they never gave a hoot about the actual politics, and only did all that stuff because they thought it would get them more favor with viewers, and thereby more money.

I would personally not raise an eyebrow to learn this was the case.

Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by kenjackson »

billfor wrote: post #165
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Broadcasters have a license from the government to use the airwaves and they are obligated to act in the public interest. So some restrictions apply to them. Necessarily. Carr threatened to revoke licenses based on the political speech of ABC. That's clearly unconstitutional. Trump followed up by saying licenses should be revoked for criticism of himself. Unitary President cuts both ways. If this is okay, the next…

Fox news doesn't have a broadcast license. ABC does. As with redistricting, democrats are limited because things are already biased in their favor. Broadcast networks are all center-left at this point, if not then show me one major broadcaster that is center right. Democrats basically have nobody to go after. To your point, The Democrats, when back in power, could extend licensing issues into cableTV, etc... and atte…

Fox News doesn’t have a broadcast license but Fox Broadcasting does. If people are doing this sort of extortion, it wouldn’t be a leap to see the whole Fox corporation in the crosshairs. This is all just a terrible precedent for what the future holds.

Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by stazz1 »

superultra wrote: post #160
al_borland wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He said the guy who shot Charlie Kirk was MAGA, which isn’t true, according to the information that has come out from those actually working on the case in the various press conferences, and from the evidence that’s been made public. It wasn’t meaningful to the joke he was looking to set up, it was just misinformation for misinformation’s sake. At least it came off that way. Add to that high emotions from people copi…

He did not say that the kid was MAGA, or at least not exactly. Here’s all he said about it: > We hit some new lows over the weekend, with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it. > In between the finger pointing there was grieving. On Friday, the White House flew the flags at…

It was a political assassination done by someone who vehemently disagreed with certain viewpoints. The details about the shooter clearly indicate which end of the political spectrum he was on. Kimmel's comments were grossly inaccurate and wildly irresponsible.

Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by pseudalopex »

rdtsc wrote: post #171
OutOfHere wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The FCC chair threatening your broadcast license That's a clear violation of the First Amendment.

As it turns out the government can dictate how the broadcast frequencies are used, including dictate things about the content. The company could have switched to online only and continued the show. Heck, they should have called uncle sam's bluff maybe and see what happened. They are not sending Jimmy to gulag or arresting him. Jimmy can still continue his show just maybe on his own youtube channel or his own online p…

"[g]overnment officials cannot attempt to coerce private parties in order to punish or suppress views that the government disfavors"[1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association_of_...

Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by Sanzig »

adrr wrote: post #88

I wonder how much money Disney is going to lose off the cancellations for all of Disney’s streaming. Let say it’s 10%, that’s $2.4b. Linear revenue which includes cable and broadcast is only $2.7b. So even if Trump pulls their broadcast license, they’ll lose more money from this boycott not including boycotts of their movies and theme parks.

The broadcast license is also strictly speaking only necessary for over the air stations, it does not apply to cable. Cable providers get ABC for cheap due to Section 111 compulsory licensing (short version: a cable provider can retransmit an OTA station for only a small royalty), but there's nothing stopping Disney from offering ABC to cable providers for a similar cost if their license is pulled.

So, the impact at the end of the day is just lost revenue from antenna users. Cable and satellite would be unaffected. That's got to be a relatively small number in the grand scheme of things.

Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by al_borland »

superultra wrote: post #160
al_borland wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He said the guy who shot Charlie Kirk was MAGA, which isn’t true, according to the information that has come out from those actually working on the case in the various press conferences, and from the evidence that’s been made public. It wasn’t meaningful to the joke he was looking to set up, it was just misinformation for misinformation’s sake. At least it came off that way. Add to that high emotions from people copi…

He did not say that the kid was MAGA, or at least not exactly. Here’s all he said about it: > We hit some new lows over the weekend, with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it. > In between the finger pointing there was grieving. On Friday, the White House flew the flags at…

> with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them

Anyone hearing this would take away that Tyler was maga, would they not? It heavily implies that he is maga, and that’s why the maga gang is trying to deflect.

A lot of conclusions were jumped to early on by everyone. Things are more clear now, but still not 100%. From what I’ve seen so far he was a Trump supporter in his early teens, but did a full 180 in recent years, due to the influence on the internet, as you mentioned, and who knows what else.

If the ultimate joke was to laugh at Trump talking about his ballroom, I don’t see what his maga comments added to that. He stepped into a hornets nest and added nothing to the joke in the process.

Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by makeitdouble »

danielheath wrote: post #166
lovelearning wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with "Hanlon's Razor" is that everything can be explained by incompetence by making suitable assumptions. It outright denies the possibility of malice and pretends as if malice is rare. Basically, a call to always give the benefit of the doubt to every person or participant's moral character without any analysis whatsoever of their track record. Robert Hanlon himself doesn't seem to be notable in any area…

Assuming incompetence instead of malice is how you remain collegiate and cordial with others. Assuming malice from people you interact with means dividing your community into smaller and smaller groups, each suspicious of the other. Assuming malice from an out group who have regularly demonstrated their willingness to cause harm doesn’t have that problem.

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> It doesn't encourage the need to reason, examine any evidence, or examine any probabilities

Parent isn't advocating for assuming malice, or assuming anything really, but to reason about the causes. Basically, that we'd have better discourse if no axiom was used in the first place.

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