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Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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post #10

I kinda want Oracle to go further and insist that no-one can call it "JavaScript" any more. Let's all it "JS" and completely break from Java. "What does JS stand for?" "It stands for itself."

"What does JS stand for?" "Because it can't sit down! rimshot"

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

#172

I don't get the hate here. This is practically a public service and Deno doesn't have any direct or obvious material gains from this. Definitely not more then dozens of other projects (from Chrome to Node.js to Tutorial sites and any company offering something with JS) So what if they are a VC backed company? If you perform a public service, it's fair to ask the public for money. No one is suggesting this money would…

> If you perform a public service, it's fair to ask the public for money. I think the order here is reversed: If you ask the public for money, it's fair to perform a public service. If you just do something you wanted to do anyways, and probably would have done anyways, then it might be viewed as less-than-charitable to ask others for money to help you achieve your goal for yourself (even if other people might benefi…

>I think the order here is reversed: If you ask the public for money, it's fair to perform a public service. If you just do something you wanted to do anyways, and probably would have done anyways, then it might be viewed as less-than-charitable to ask others for money to help you achieve your goal for yourself (even if other people might benefit somewhat too). Especially when you are far richer (like 100+ times richer) than the people you're asking for money.

I get the where you're coming from, but it's this exact attitude that ends up with critical infra like OpenSSL being maintained ad hoc by some devoted geek for a pittance, who inevitably can't keep up with critical patches.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

#173

I don't get the hate here. This is practically a public service and Deno doesn't have any direct or obvious material gains from this. Definitely not more then dozens of other projects (from Chrome to Node.js to Tutorial sites and any company offering something with JS) So what if they are a VC backed company? If you perform a public service, it's fair to ask the public for money. No one is suggesting this money would…

This is a form of marketing.

It’s a little late for hockey stick growth though, no?

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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And why would anyone do something good for someone else without an ulterior motive? Do you think people donate to charity because they are good or because they want to seem good? I met people IRL who acted "nice" except they were also aware they were being perceived as "nice" and explicitly called themselves "nice," wouldn't you agree this is hypocritical?

> And why would anyone do something good for someone else without an ulterior motive?

It feels nice. You should try it sometime.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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And why would anyone do something good for someone else without an ulterior motive? Do you think people donate to charity because they are good or because they want to seem good? I met people IRL who acted "nice" except they were also aware they were being perceived as "nice" and explicitly called themselves "nice," wouldn't you agree this is hypocritical?

Does it matter? If people are kind and generous for the sake of recognition, the positive effects of their actions are just as real.

Not to mention that wanting approval and recognition is not really “ulterior”. It’s a natural human desire. The people to watch out for are those who claim not to want it.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

#176
post #13

I can't be the only one who believes the name JavaScript should die in Peace. It was and still is the worst naming of any popular programming language in existence.

I'm in favor of calling it ()=>{}, pronounced TLFKAJ (The Language Formerly Known As Javascript).

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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What an absolutely tragic worldview you have... There's no doubt that there are disingenuous people (let alone complete grifters). But the fact that you can't conceive of anyone doing anything good just for the sake of it - let alone making genuine self-sacrifices, which happens ALL the time - is utterly shameful. Moreover, if you are properly-aligned in life, whats good for others/the world is ALSO good for you. Eve…

I am only making conclusions based on what I see, and I comment hoping people can tell me how I am wrong. I am still trying to figure this out, but all evidence points to what I said. People never "do good" "just for the sake of it" - there is always a reason, whether or not the person realizes it. The reason could be, e.g., as I said, the desire to seem good, some kind of religious belief, etc. Ultimately, it is nev…

You're a very sad, very confused person. I genuinely mean this: seek help. Or at least a hug.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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And why would anyone do something good for someone else without an ulterior motive? Do you think people donate to charity because they are good or because they want to seem good? I met people IRL who acted "nice" except they were also aware they were being perceived as "nice" and explicitly called themselves "nice," wouldn't you agree this is hypocritical?

> And why would anyone do something good for someone else without an ulterior motive? It feels nice. You should try it sometime.

YeAh bUt fe3lin g0od is n ulTerIor m0t!ve!! A st0!c s4g3 flz nutHing

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

#179
This is a reminder that the power of Oracle is not in creating great software, it's in having iron clad lawyers and salespeople[0]. I want this to happen and will contribute, but I think there will be a rude awakening when the anvil falls on our heads.

[0]: https://idiallo.com/blog/why-use-oracle-db-today

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

#180
post #19

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Anecdotally I don't know anyone who cares in the slightest bit about that. It's a name that has been used for a long time, and there have been lots of weird, strange name out there for software, but people just use it and move on.

No, it still causes confusion from new programmers, HR, execs who thinks JavaScript === writing Java Scripts. We're all in on TypeScript now and I don't think they're teaching Java much in university or boot camps anymore so it doesn't matter much anyway. But when every other intern came in thinking programming WAS Java.... Not great. Having to never utter "JavaScript" again wasn't the primary motivation to move to T…

> No, it still causes confusion from new programmers, HR, execs who thinks JavaScript === writing Java Scripts.

Anyone that stupid in 2025 is hopeless.

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