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Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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zionists still trying to deceive people with misleading analogies while pretending that their apartheid ethno-state can just start its origin story at october 7th [1]. I wonder what kind of individual still buys into these false and lazy zionist narratives.

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20231029055310/ojp.gov/ncjrs/vir...

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Which side do you think has an interest in shooting doctors? I'll help you with that. It's not the side that would regularly take Gazan children into Israel for medical treatment before the Gazans started a war against Israeli children. Or do Israeli children mean nothing? Because I personally know two women whose children were burned to death on October 7th.

> Which side do you think has an interest in shooting doctors? The one shooting doctors. What happened on October 7 has been a tragedy. 38 children died that day, and you know two of the mothers. I can't even relate with their suffering, in no way I can understand their pain like you do. But I don't know either any mothers of the 32'000 killed and wounded on the other side. "One day, when it’s safe, when there’s no p…

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Flipping the U.S. really is the key to ending this conflict. The U.S. reliably uses its security council veto to nix any meaningful UN response and the U.S. remains, by far, the biggest supplier of arms to the IDF. If the US were to stop veto'ing everything and cut off the IDF's supply of, at least, some types of weapons, the new ground assault would likely end quickly. Unfortunately, that isn't likely to happen. Net…

There's definitely a generational gap going in the US. Support for Israel is not popular among the younger generation in the US, and there's a good deal of voters in their 20s and 30s for whom support for Israel a red line in candidates. But older generations tend to be staunchly in favor of Israel, and too much of the gerontocratic political class thinks that pro-Israel uber alles is the key to winning votes. It is…

That gap between support of Israel across age groups existed historically AFAIK, although the margins were narrower.

More worrying for Israel is that it's becoming a partisan issue. That goes to both ends - previously unthinkable, unwavering support under Republicans but a very short leash under the Democrats.

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You mean like supporting Germany and Japan in 1944-1945? German and Japanese civilians were dying in the thousands. How could it be wrong to support imperial japan and nazi germany by opposing the allies?

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The UN discredits itself: UNGA 2015-2023, 154 resolutions against Israel, 71 against all other countries _combined_. Of course it stems from the anti-Israeli bias of its members: a single Jewish state against 57 Muslim states.

I think this was an even clearer example of the UN's anti-Israel bias: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/debunked-un-off...

Very blatant disinformation from a top UN official (leader of OCHA), no retraction or apology, and no consequences.

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Flipping the U.S. really is the key to ending this conflict. The U.S. reliably uses its security council veto to nix any meaningful UN response and the U.S. remains, by far, the biggest supplier of arms to the IDF. If the US were to stop veto'ing everything and cut off the IDF's supply of, at least, some types of weapons, the new ground assault would likely end quickly. Unfortunately, that isn't likely to happen. Net…

Why would we expect any desirable outcome in this hypothetical though? So the US flips, Israel is pressured into withdrawing, Hamas regains control of the strip and resumes rocket attacks, Israel is forced to respond eventually. It doesn't seem like a path toward a real solution.

> It doesn't seem like a path toward a real solution.

As long as the Dahiya doctrine persists, it won't be. But that's an Israeli problem - their disproportionate response has been exploited for years. Hamas is fine letting Israel commit as many war crimes as it takes to satisfy their leadership, it very clearly hasn't changed tactics in recent years. The cost to Israeli international credibility seems to be "worth it" in their eyes.

So, if Israel wants peace they first have to stop escalation. But even if Hamas was defeated, we know that wouldn't be the end of things. Next the Druze has to be defended, which would result in a very justified annexation of south Syria and repeat of the same genocidal conditions in Gaza. They would also attempt to unseat power in Yemen, and then embroil America in an unwinnable war against Iran to sustain a true hegemony.

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Intentionally killing children will never be justified, everything else serves as a decoy from acknowledging this simple fact.

Israel does not intentionally kill children. Hamas does. They state it clearly.

Quite a few thousand killed by Israel, or are you claiming that's not true?
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