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Google rejects White House request to pull Mohammad film clip

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Re: Google rejects White House request to pull Mohammad film clip

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Post by jlgreco »

001sky wrote: post #165
jlgreco wrote: post #126

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Additionally, the effects of the anonymity that mobs naturally provide even without the influence of leadership should not be ignored. I love anonymity, I really do. I think the ability to have it is vital in any free society. Even so, I cannot deny that it has its downsides, and lowering social inhibitions is one of the more serious ones.

But what do the nazis and the [x] have in common that we dont here? isn't the answer they had dictatorial/failed states? You can counter-example us southern lychings but that seems to be the exception that proves the rule. the demos in western democracies is not the mob of the [x] street. [edit: subject is mob violence leading to murder, etc]

Mob mentality can be seen in things as minor as riots over football matches.

It is one of many aspects that can contribute to violence in situations like these. I wouldn't say it is even a primary cause of the violence in this particular case, but I would say it plays a role.

Re: Google rejects White House request to pull Mohammad film clip

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Post by defen »

stfu wrote: post #61
nostromo wrote: post #21

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM

I was expecting some sophisticated propaganda piece. And not some crappy community theater actors doing some play for a public service television show. "Somebody" is really easy to troll.

Yes, it's Spengler, but I think he makes a good point here about why this happens with Islam and not other religions (note that he wrote it 2 years ago): http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/LI14Ak01.html

Re: Google rejects White House request to pull Mohammad film clip

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Post by [deleted] »

stfu wrote: post #61
nostromo wrote: post #21

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM

I was expecting some sophisticated propaganda piece. And not some crappy community theater actors doing some play for a public service television show. "Somebody" is really easy to troll.

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Re: Google rejects White House request to pull Mohammad film clip

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Post by 001sky »

nico wrote: post #170
001sky wrote: post #162

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If people were rational...they would be more scared of [driving] than terrorists, This was the pre-9/11 mindset. Don't forget. Nobody wants to bother figting the terrorists. Before they came to your shores. There is a big difference between rational strategy and having your head in the sand. Its called a lack of imagination. Until flight 93, nobody bothered...just like you suggest

I'm, in no way, suggesting not to bother. But you are suggesting 9/11 is almost the only terrorist attack or activity, and you are only talking about the US. If you actually considered the rest of the world as well, you'd see that in Spain for example, people have had to deal with ETA's terrorism for a long time, yet the Spanish government hasn't terrified people with an endless discourse about war on terror, and peo…

I'm, in no way, suggesting not to bother

I'm specifically talking about the "social engineering" the 9.11 hijackers used. they exploited the expectations of people to self-absorbed to think outside the box. The advice for the passengers in a hijacking was not not resist. the only difference between flight 93 and WTC was what? an hour or two and some more imagination...

But this was on multiple scales...(a) They exploited the unwillingness to hunt them down (ie, after mogadishu) so they operated with impunity to prepare; (b) They expoloited the social norms by using educated terrorists to fly first class and get "student" visas to be trained; (c) Nobody wanted to bother thinking through the consequences, because it was not so pleasant to imagine people might not be so nice...

Terrorism is at heart anti civillian warfare by definition, this is the problem and the challenge.

Re: Google rejects White House request to pull Mohammad film clip

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Post by effinjames »

cwisecarver wrote: post #160
effinjames wrote: post #130

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moral and respect towards other religions. jews is backing google, i've said enuf.

This confuses and disgusts me. It also makes me wish I hadn't made the parent comment just so this casual antisemitism didn't have a parent comment to latch onto.

wow antisemitism, glad you brought that up, you've unmasked yourself jew.

Re: Google rejects White House request to pull Mohammad film clip

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Post by genwin »

comex wrote: post #112
tokenadult wrote: post #100

As I commented on this issue earlier, http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4511247 "As we read news reports about violent responses to the video, from people who seem to be quite confused about who produced the video, it's important for all of us to remember the basic issue here. The basic issue is whether people in free countries, like most readers of Hacker News, are going to be able to enjoy the right of free speec…

> just because someone in a free country laughs or scorns at their delusions. Give me a break - by all indications, the author of the video made it for his own religious reasons, because of his own delusions, rather than as some kind of enlightened critique, which explains why it's, y'know, so extremely crude. He made his video specifically to cause maximum insult to a culture: that doesn't put him anywhere near the…

> He made his video specifically to cause maximum insult to a culture.

Like Team America, but no cities burned over that one. I'd like to see a continuous stream of such insulting videos, so those offended finally concede to change the channel.

Re: Google rejects White House request to pull Mohammad film clip

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Post by Aloisius »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #101
pyoung wrote: post #40

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"for political reasons" I would say this is more of a security issue. If the protests had been peaceful, and had there been no deaths, I doubt this request would have ever been made.

> If the protests had been peaceful [...] I doubt this request would have ever been made // So USA doesn't negotiate with terrorists but does what they want as long as there's a threat of violence?

When did violent mobs become terrorists?

Re: Google rejects White House request to pull Mohammad film clip

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Post by Aloisius »

smsm42 wrote: post #94
nostromo wrote: post #17

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It was just a request. A request they are free to make and Google is free to decline. One (edit: four) of Obama's civilian employees was killed by an angry mob, ostensibly because of this video, so I don't think it's unreasonable to ask. I'm also glad Google declined.

He wasn't killed because of the video. He was killed because he was representing the US, aka Big Satan. It amazes me how anybody watching the news for last 20 or so years can still talk about it being about specific video or cartoon or poem or whatever and if only it wasn't there everything would be peachy. It wouldn't. And it wasn't "just a request". It was a request from US government - the body created to represen…

Your argument would be more compelling had not the Muslim world also went crazy over a certain cartoon. Unless you're suggesting the Dutch are also the Great Satan.

And no offense, the US government makes quite literally, thousands of requests to private companies every year and always have. It isn't more threatening because it is the White House instead of the FBI or State Department. Clearly Google had no problem ignoring it.

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