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Will AI be the basis of many future industrial fortunes, or a net loser?

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Re: Will AI be the basis of many future industrial fortunes, or a net loser?

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The title is a false dichotomy. It could be a net gain but spread across the whole society if the value added is not concentrated.

This is what happens when users gain value which they themselves capture, and the AI companies only get the nominal $20/month or whatever. In those cases it's a net gain for the economy as a whole if valuable work was done at low cost.

The inverse of the broken window fallacy.

Re: Will AI be the basis of many future industrial fortunes, or a net loser?

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> It reminds me of what GarageBand or iMovie and YouTube and such did for making music and videos so accessible to people who didn’t go to school for any of that, let alone owned complex equipment or expensive licenses to Adobe Thisandthat. It’s worth reading William Deresiewicz‘ The Death of the Artist. I’m not entirely convinced that marketing that everyone can create art/games/whatever is actually a net positive r…

This reminds me of my preferred analogy: are digital artists real artists if they can’t mix pigment and skillfully apply them to canvas? Not sure why digital artists get mad when I ask. They’re no Michelangelo.

It may be maddening to them because you are implying that physical color mixing is somehow that one defining thing that makes it art. Imagine someone said that about writing a book: if you don't write it by hand but use Microsoft Word instead, it's not a real book. How would that even be the case? The software is not doing the work for you (unless it's AI).

I can tell you with confidence that physical color mixing itself is a really small part of what makes a good traditional artist, and I am indeed talking about realistic paintings. All the art fundamentals are exactly the same, wether you do digital art or traditional oil, there are just some technical differences on top. I have been learning digital painting for a few years and the hardest things to learn about color were identical to traditional painters. In fact, after years of learning digital painting and about colors, it only took me a couple of days to understand and perform traditional color mixing with oil. The difficult part is knowing what colors you need, not how to get there (mixing, using the sliders, etc.)

And just to add a small bit here: digital artist also color mix all the time and need to know how it works, the difference here is that mixing is additive instead of subtractive.

Re: Will AI be the basis of many future industrial fortunes, or a net loser?

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That’s not what I said. But ok. Weather systems exhibit chaotic behavior which means that small changes to initial conditions have far reaching effects. This is why even the best weather models are only effective at most a few weeks out. It’s not because we don’t understand how weather works, it’s because the system fundamentally behaves in a way that requires keeping track of many more measurements than is physicall…

> That’s not what I said. But ok. This is what you did say > Then I don’t think you fully grasp the nature of weather. Like - how the f ck would you know? Even more so, why the f ck does your ignorance and inability to think of possibilities, or fully grasp the nature of anything make you think that that sort of comment is remotely appropriate. You have the uniquely fortunate position to never be able to realise how…

No. They're correct and you are not.

Nothing to do with "inability to think of possibilities", it's impossible because of literal physics.

It's like saying perpetual motion machines could exist if we just think outside the box hard enough. No, we don't have them because thermodynamics.

Re: Will AI be the basis of many future industrial fortunes, or a net loser?

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Pollock can get uncountable bytes of entropy from a skilful swing of a bucket.

Most art isn't like that. I would argue most people dislike that kind of art.

I understand not liking Pollock, and he’s often the butt of “my kid could do that”. But do you really think most people dislike it?

In person they are compelling, and there is more skill at play than at first glance. I like them at least

Re: Will AI be the basis of many future industrial fortunes, or a net loser?

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> It reminds me of what GarageBand or iMovie and YouTube and such did for making music and videos so accessible to people who didn’t go to school for any of that, let alone owned complex equipment or expensive licenses to Adobe Thisandthat. It’s worth reading William Deresiewicz‘ The Death of the Artist. I’m not entirely convinced that marketing that everyone can create art/games/whatever is actually a net positive r…

If people are making art to get rich and failing, it doesn’t kill artists, who’d be making art anyway, it kills the people trying to earn money from their art. Do we need Quad-A blockbuster Ubisoft/Bethesda/Sony/MS/Nintendo releases for their artistic merit, or their publishers/IP owners needs to make money off of it? Ditto the big4 movie studios. Those don’t really seem to matter very much. The whole idea of tastema…

People are wanting to make a living by making art, not to get rich.

I highly recommend reading the book I mentioned as you don’t seem to have a particularly nuanced understanding of the actual struggles at play.

Perhaps an analogy you’ll understand is what happens to the value of a developer’s labour when that labour is in many ways replicated by AI and big AI companies actively work to undermine what makes your labour different by aggressively marketing that anyone can so what you so with their tools.

Re: Will AI be the basis of many future industrial fortunes, or a net loser?

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Case in point.. I listen to my own AI generated music now like 90% of the time.

No idea why this is downvoted, making AI music customized to your exact situation/preferences is very addictive. I have my own playlist I listen to pretty frequently

Foolishly, the Hacker News hive mind has a tendency to downvote any prediction that AI will be successful.

It's clear a lot of people don't want it to eat the world, but it will.

Re: Will AI be the basis of many future industrial fortunes, or a net loser?

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I think the interesting idea with “AI” is that it seems to significantly reduce barriers to entry in many domains. I haven’t seen a company convincingly demonstrate that this affects them at all. Lots of fluff but nothing compelling. But I have seen many examples by individuals, including myself. For years I’ve loved poking at video game dev for fun. The main problem has always been art assets. I’m terrible at art an…

I'm wondering a good way to create 2D sprite sheets with transparency via AI. That would be a game changer, but my research has led me to believe that there isn't a good tool for this yet. One sprite is kind of doable, but a sprite animation with continuity between frames seems like it would be very difficult. Have you figured out a way to do this?

I’ve been building up animations for a main character sprite. I’m hoping one day AI can help me make small changes quickly (apply different hairstyles mainly). So far I haven’t seen anything promising either.

Otherwise I have to touch up a hundred or so images manually for each different character style… probably not worth it

Re: Will AI be the basis of many future industrial fortunes, or a net loser?

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I have a similar problem (available assets drive/limit game dev). What is your workflow like for generative game assets?

It’s really nothing special. I don’t do this a lot . Generally I have an idea I’ve written down some time ago, usually from a bad pun like Escape Goat (CEO wants to blame it all on you. Get out of the office without getting caught! Also you’re a goat) or Holmes on Homes Deck Building Deck Building Game (where you build a deck of tools and lumber and play hazards to be the first to build a deck). Then I come up with a…

Those games sell themselves on name alone, are they playable anywhere?

Re: Will AI be the basis of many future industrial fortunes, or a net loser?

#180

The title is a false dichotomy. It could be a net gain but spread across the whole society if the value added is not concentrated. This is what happens when users gain value which they themselves capture, and the AI companies only get the nominal $20/month or whatever. In those cases it's a net gain for the economy as a whole if valuable work was done at low cost. The inverse of the broken window fallacy.

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