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Re: Weaponizing Ads: How Google and Facebook Ads Are Used to Wage Propaganda Wars

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Post by tracker1 »

JustExAWS wrote: post #133
tracker1 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could create a law that says regional/national advertising requires a company or person be in that jurisdiction and that they must hold $$$ in bond as a guard against false claims. This would prevent foreign ads targeting domestic users, and/or give you an organization to sue domestically. In this case, it's likely that the Israeli govt would work through a US based org, and that in court that case would likely f…

Who has standing to sue? We already see the current President using lawsuits to allow media companies to bribe him.

The injured party... in the above case, the UNRWA would sue the org paying for the ads in the target location, for example the US org paying for the ads themselves in the US.

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Post by alsetmusic »

jpadkins wrote: post #71
conover wrote: post #65

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The government (and/or society?) have already deputized private organizations to enforce various types of controls either implicitly or explicitly. Banks (AML) and Payment Processors (recent Steam content removal news) come to mind. Irrespective of whether it's a good or bad things, it already exists.

The Banks don't determine if you are a terrorist or what not. They comply with the order when a judge gives them a lawful order to freeze accounts. I think it's okay to deputize corporations for the execution of the law in the digital world. You really, really don't want the federal government or mega corps to determine what is the "truth" vs. "propaganda". It's way too much power in society to be centralized. The de…

I had a bank transfer confiscated by Office of Foreign Assets Control. I think it was because the money (my rent) was going to someone with a foreign sounding name. I filled out all the paperwork to dispute it and was told they (a government agency) had no record of it. This was maybe eight years ago. I gave up on it because one month of rent wasn't worth the enormous hassle of fighting the government (to me, at that time). I changed how I made payments and moved on.

I've been criticized before for not fighting back. I had other struggles at the time. Leave me alone about that. I made the right call for myself.

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Post by delichon »

alsetmusic wrote: post #172
jpadkins wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Banks don't determine if you are a terrorist or what not. They comply with the order when a judge gives them a lawful order to freeze accounts. I think it's okay to deputize corporations for the execution of the law in the digital world. You really, really don't want the federal government or mega corps to determine what is the "truth" vs. "propaganda". It's way too much power in society to be centralized. The de…

I had a bank transfer confiscated by Office of Foreign Assets Control. I think it was because the money (my rent) was going to someone with a foreign sounding name. I filled out all the paperwork to dispute it and was told they (a government agency) had no record of it. This was maybe eight years ago. I gave up on it because one month of rent wasn't worth the enormous hassle of fighting the government (to me, at that…

I think we owe it the next muggee to fight the mugger, at least as far as filing the paper work if not literally.

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Post by n8m8 »

heavyset_go wrote: post #158
n8m8 wrote: post #6

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Good point. Has me thinking: In any field, over time, there's R&D for it to become more effective. How this progression might apply to marketing: 1. Printed ads, newspapers, billboards, magazines -- You can explain your product and show a picture of what it looks like to demonstrate the value to customers 2. Television ads, black and white -- We can demonstrate the value to customers so well! 3. Wait a minute, if we…

> 1. Printed ads, newspapers, billboards, magazines -- You can explain your product and show a picture of what it looks like to demonstrate the value to customers I implore you to look at the advertisements and propaganda from ~100+ years ago. This was not the case, manipulation happened in the same ways it does today. Hell, go back ~250+ years and you'll see the same thing. Propaganda played a huge part in the found…

Makes sense, yeah I definitely handwaved "old media"!

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Post by sniffers »

dizlexic wrote: post #169
sniffers wrote: post #168

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No, you are being thick. The governments are issuing the propaganda. Read the post again.

If you can't think around this corner I can't help you, Who will prohibit it? Magical Gnomes? If you say the UN let me remind you that the UN is comprised of Governments, the majority of which are considered autocracies. So in short, you want dictatorships worldwide to be empowered to define and control speech. Sounds... Great... Also If you'd like we could go into the ineffectiveness of the UN in general, but I'm no…

If you are going to build strawmen to cut down over and over, there's clearly no intellectually fertile soil here. You seem to be enjoying operating both sides of some imagined conversation quite well, and I'll leave it to you.

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Post by dizlexic »

sniffers wrote: post #175
dizlexic wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can't think around this corner I can't help you, Who will prohibit it? Magical Gnomes? If you say the UN let me remind you that the UN is comprised of Governments, the majority of which are considered autocracies. So in short, you want dictatorships worldwide to be empowered to define and control speech. Sounds... Great... Also If you'd like we could go into the ineffectiveness of the UN in general, but I'm no…

If you are going to build strawmen to cut down over and over, there's clearly no intellectually fertile soil here. You seem to be enjoying operating both sides of some imagined conversation quite well, and I'll leave it to you.

So you can’t think around that corner I guess.

I guess you do believe magical gnomes would enforce your ban on government propaganda in ads.

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Post by sniffers »

dizlexic wrote: post #176
sniffers wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are going to build strawmen to cut down over and over, there's clearly no intellectually fertile soil here. You seem to be enjoying operating both sides of some imagined conversation quite well, and I'll leave it to you.

So you can’t think around that corner I guess. I guess you do believe magical gnomes would enforce your ban on government propaganda in ads.

Sigh.

Try again.

The thread is about how an "At last I got mine" attitude towards making money from government propaganda ad revenue is a shit attitude.

You are the one who is out here building windmills to tilt at about bans on government propaganda. That's not something I ever suggested. Nor is it even germane to the thread. Again, you are engaging in some elementary school level straw manning.

One does not need to ban government propaganda, or propaganda generally, to avoid being proud to be paid to spread it. Consider: you could be not proud you sold that ad space. You could not sell that ad space to those people. You could not sell ad space generally. I'm sure one could come up with other ideas as well.

I hope you see now how infantile your diversions are, how juvenile the comments around thinking around corners. You wandered completely off topic and seem quite upset I didn't follow you there, then invented a version of me that did to fight.

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Post by dizlexic »

sniffers wrote: post #177
dizlexic wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you can’t think around that corner I guess. I guess you do believe magical gnomes would enforce your ban on government propaganda in ads.

Sigh. Try again. The thread is about how an "At last I got mine" attitude towards making money from government propaganda ad revenue is a shit attitude. You are the one who is out here building windmills to tilt at about bans on government propaganda. That's not something I ever suggested. Nor is it even germane to the thread. Again, you are engaging in some elementary school level straw manning. One does not need to…

so, you have no answer.

I'm proud that anyone who wants to can spread whatever info they want.

I love that I facilitate that.

Every election year my income almost doubles, why? Because people want their opinions heard. I'm glad I can help with that.

You can call the topic whatever you want. I am for the free exchange of ideas, you're against it.

:D

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Post by sniffers »

dizlexic wrote: post #178
sniffers wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sigh. Try again. The thread is about how an "At last I got mine" attitude towards making money from government propaganda ad revenue is a shit attitude. You are the one who is out here building windmills to tilt at about bans on government propaganda. That's not something I ever suggested. Nor is it even germane to the thread. Again, you are engaging in some elementary school level straw manning. One does not need to…

so, you have no answer. I'm proud that anyone who wants to can spread whatever info they want. I love that I facilitate that. Every election year my income almost doubles, why? Because people want their opinions heard. I'm glad I can help with that. You can call the topic whatever you want. I am for the free exchange of ideas, you're against it. :D

Anyone who wants, in your case, is "whomever pays me the most", which is a far, far cry from "anyone who wants".

You can tell yourself this is the free exchange of ideas all you want, but when it's an auction for who can hold the microphone it's anything but free.

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Post by dizlexic »

sniffers wrote: post #179
dizlexic wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so, you have no answer. I'm proud that anyone who wants to can spread whatever info they want. I love that I facilitate that. Every election year my income almost doubles, why? Because people want their opinions heard. I'm glad I can help with that. You can call the topic whatever you want. I am for the free exchange of ideas, you're against it. :D

Anyone who wants, in your case, is "whomever pays me the most", which is a far, far cry from "anyone who wants". You can tell yourself this is the free exchange of ideas all you want, but when it's an auction for who can hold the microphone it's anything but free.

False, it's whomever pays at all. I don't know if you've looked at online advertising costs, but their very affordable. We aren't talking super bowl ads.

mine is "whomever wants" unless you're arguing that online advertising is prohibitively expensive. I'd just have to disagree with that.

In your case it's "whomever is approved" which is a far, far cry from "anyone who wants".

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