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Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Post by marginalia_nu »

api wrote: post #104
marginalia_nu wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"AI is the Vietnam of product management" is a blog post that almost writes itself. Not really my field so if anyone wants to take it for a spin, go ham.

Have ChatGPT write it This isn’t AI specific though. The whole industry runs this way because thoughtful decision making doesn’t scale easily. KPIs are easier.

Kinda weird though, like with many things in the industry we seem to be doing things that are far from optimal, but for some reasons organizations that do things differently aren't winning the competition.

Ostensibly most successful software is written in languages that aren't very good, with development methodologies that aren't very good, in organizational structures that aren't very good. Where is the existence proof? Why isn't software written in a good language, using a good methodology with sane management winning the race?

Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Post by clickety_clack »

krinchan wrote: post #139
rossdavidh wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All true, but the argument for AI is that it makes you far more productive as an individual, which if true should be an easy sell. In fact, some developers are quite committed to it, with a fervor I've not seen since the "I'm never going back to the office" fervor a few years ago. Version control is more of a "short term pain for long term gain" kind of concept; it is not surprising some people were hard to convince.…

As someone who started out a GenAI skeptic, I’ve found the truth is in the middle. I write a TON of one off scripts now at work. For instance, if I fight with a Splunk query for more than five minutes, I’ll just export the entire time frame in question and have GHCP (work mandates we use only GHCP) spit out a Python script that gets me what I want. I use it with our internal MCP tools to review pull requests. It surf…

What is GHCP?

Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Post by danny_codes »

agilob wrote: post #163

For me Copilot keeps commenting something like "this changes typo in a documentation". The comment is now blocking automerge of the PR, so I have more work. I have to go to the PR and mark the comment as resolved. Thanks AI, thanks Microsoft, fantastic job burning electricity for this. At least Bitcoin created some value ;)

lol bitcoin has not created any value. Well it has if you are a scammer or drug dealer I suppose.

Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Post by pessimizer »

chubot wrote: post #101
chubot wrote: post #72

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They probably get orders from all the way up the food chain to keep the show going. Honestly I think the same thing happened with self-driving cars ~10 years ago. Larry Page and Google's "submarine" marketing convinced investors and CEOs of automakers and tech companies [1] that they were going to become obsolete, and that Google would be taking all that profit. In 2016, GM acquired Cruise for $1 billion or so. It se…

Also, I think Hacker News mostly believed the hype about self-driving cars, with relatively little pushback. Many people were influenced by what the CEOs/investors said, and of course the prospect of jobs and "cool tech" e.g. in 2018, over 7 years ago, I was simply pointing out that people like Chris Urmson (who had WORKED ON self-driving for decades) and Bill Gurley said self-driving would take 25+ years to deploy (…

Hacker News fell for f'n 3D TVs.

Hacker News goes for anything that they think they might be able to make money off of, just like all middle-class people. They evaluate events based on how they could affect them personally. Actual plausibility isn't even secondary, they simply defer to the salesmen (whom they admire and hope one day to be.)

Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Post by hydhyd »

clickety_clack wrote: post #172
krinchan wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who started out a GenAI skeptic, I’ve found the truth is in the middle. I write a TON of one off scripts now at work. For instance, if I fight with a Splunk query for more than five minutes, I’ll just export the entire time frame in question and have GHCP (work mandates we use only GHCP) spit out a Python script that gets me what I want. I use it with our internal MCP tools to review pull requests. It surf…

What is GHCP?

It appears to be GitHub Copilot

Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Post by garyfirestorm »

AlexandrB wrote: post #44

I find it weird how companies talk out both sides of their mouth on AI. On the one hand it's this magical tool that will make you 10x more efficient at your job, and on the other it's something they have to market heavily and shove in your face at every turn - sometimes outright forcing you to engage with it. These two things don't seem compatible - if the tool was that good people would be beating down their doors t…

I would like to point out that in certain scenarios people are not very smart. For eg. Many car enthusiasts who care about speed and 0-60 will still look down on EVs despite EVs being ridiculously fast and cheap to attain those metrics. 40k EV is faster than 150k Porsche. But these guys will never adopt it.

Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Post by clickety_clack »

fatchan wrote: post #50

Github is my push --mirror location, nothing more. Main is a popular Gitlab instance gitgud.io, and I host my own secondary mirror. Gitlab is of course adding more AI and corpo garbage, and once they prevent disabling these "features" on community editions we'll see a fork of gitlab, probably. The assertion that github is some bustling hub of opportunity is a strange one. At best you get people more likely to contrib…

Yep, the headline on the Gitlab landing page is now “Build software, not toolchains. With native AI at every step.”

I’d love to find a stripped down solution that focused on hosting code repos. I don’t think GitHub see it as their core business anymore.

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Post by haskellshill »

crazygringo wrote: post #146
rossdavidh wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All true, but the argument for AI is that it makes you far more productive as an individual, which if true should be an easy sell. In fact, some developers are quite committed to it, with a fervor I've not seen since the "I'm never going back to the office" fervor a few years ago. Version control is more of a "short term pain for long term gain" kind of concept; it is not surprising some people were hard to convince.…

> it makes you far more productive as an individual, which if true should be an easy sell Writing unit tests where needed makes you more productive in the long run. Writing in modern languages makes you more productive. Remember how people writing assembly thought compiled languages would rot your brain! But people just resist change and new ways of doing things. They don't care about actual productivity, they care a…

> Remember how people writing assembly thought compiled languages would rot your brain!

Well, how'd you describe web apps of today if not precisely brainrot?

> They don't care about actual productivity, they care about feeling productive

Funny you'd say that, because that describes a large portion of "AI coders". Sure they pump out a lot of lines of code, and it might even work initially, but in the long run it's hardly more productive.

> It's a hard sell when an application moves a button!

Because usually that is just change for the sake of change. How many updates are there every day that add nothing at all? More than updates that actually add something useful, at least.

Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Post by clickety_clack »

hydhyd wrote: post #175
clickety_clack wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is GHCP?

It appears to be GitHub Copilot

Ah! I was trying to fit 4 words into the acronym, like “GitHub Hosting Cloud Platform” or something.

Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Post by tempodox »

goku12 wrote: post #164
immibis wrote: post #109

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Yes, they've legitimately good at a few things (e.g. very fuzzy search), but that doesn't justify the amount of investment.

The environmental damage is even worse than the investment. Those who have the money to invest in it usually care only about the returns and not the environment.

Hardly anyone even mentions it in discussions. Even as far as these tools are actually useful, nobody ever asks whether it’s worth the environmental costs.
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