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When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by awesome_dude »

StopDisinfo910 wrote: post #169
awesome_dude wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take a better look at Fiji - the indigenous people there have been outnumbered by the people bought into the country from India (by the English) The Fijians have had multiple coup, and changes to their constitution to ensure that only indigenous people can run the country Whether I agree with that or not is beside the point, the point is that what you claim is false, what can happen has happened elsewhere, and where…

Wether you agree or not is the entire point. This is not a theoretical question about what could be done. The question is why should it happen in the first place? Why do you think people who have been there for 150 years and ask nothing more than cohabitation should be forcefully removed from a place? As I said, it is not that simple. It has absolutely nothing to do with "the sun setting on the French empire".

The Indians have been in Fiji for the same amount of time. (they were first taken to Fiji in 1879, 145 years ago)

Please, do try to make an effort.

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by aspenmayer »

ztetranz wrote: post #106
sjducb wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 1975 the British Queen instructed her representative the governor general to dismiss the Australian prime minister, dissolving the Australian parliament. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Australian_constitution... In principle this power still exists. Whether Charles could pull off the same trick depends on the political situation on the ground.

I don't think the Queen instructed the Governor General to do that. He made the decision. I'm old enough to remember it and remember a statement from the palace saying something like "The Queen is watching events in Australia with interest" but I don't think she took an active part. I quick search reveals this. I don't know this site but if true then some letters seem to confirm the above. She told the GG to obey the…

This is also relevant, if only to illustrate that the incident had more going on than it appeared on the surface:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_CIA_involvement_in_the...

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by School-Cotton »

ineedaj0b wrote: post #157

I’ve been really sad getting older and having so much more context on Britain. My family weirdly had access to all of British TV in US growing up and they had fantastic programs. Now, I feel they are a joke. They seem like a strong example of what absolutely not to do. Their cultural exports have sunk. The arrested citizens for social media posts seems draconian. The economy barely hanging on. I understand the Media…

I assume you mean William, not Andrew.

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by StopDisinfo910 »

awesome_dude wrote: post #171
StopDisinfo910 wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wether you agree or not is the entire point. This is not a theoretical question about what could be done. The question is why should it happen in the first place? Why do you think people who have been there for 150 years and ask nothing more than cohabitation should be forcefully removed from a place? As I said, it is not that simple. It has absolutely nothing to do with "the sun setting on the French empire".

The Indians have been in Fiji for the same amount of time. (they were first taken to Fiji in 1879, 145 years ago) Please, do try to make an effort.

Are you intentionally entirely missing the point?

Once again the question is not if it’s doable but why it should be done. Indian in Fiji is entirely irrelevant here (unless you think a military dictatorship supported by the church is somehow what New Caledonia needs).

If you are arguing they should leave because New Caledonia is the ancestral land of the indigenous population, well, I will let you apply the argument to the USA and Israel. See, it’s not that simple.

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by School-Cotton »

ozim wrote: post #75

As an outsider I consider Canada and Australia - British Empire. Hard to think otherwise as they have the same king.

That makes approximately as much sense as considering Hawaii part of the British empire because they have the British flag as part of their own flag.

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by School-Cotton »

Waterluvian wrote: post #77
ozim wrote: post #75

As an outsider I consider Canada and Australia - British Empire. Hard to think otherwise as they have the same king.

To be satisfyingly pedantic, my King isn’t the same King. Mine is the King of Canada. It just happens to be the same person as the King of England and the King of Australia ;)

There is an even more pedantic objection to your claim: there is no such person as the “King of England”; this is like saying Donald Trump is the President of California.

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by graemep »

throawaywpg wrote: post #145
sys_64738 wrote: post #120

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I remember asking this question to a work colleague from India almost 30 years ago. I asked something like if he hated the Brits for invading his land. He said on the contrary. They advanced their people so rapidly and efficiently through education and technical advances that would have taken hundreds of years by themselves. He said this allowed them to kick the British out once they had outlived their usefulness. Or…

Some Indians benefitted, but the vast majority suffered.

Th vast majority suffered under various Indian empires too. The lower castes suffered millennia of oppression (and still do) - imagine millennia of Jim Crow or apartheid. Some of them benefited hugely from British rule as a result, probably including my mother's ancestors.

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by tehjoker »

This is great! It’s high time a brutal empire that starved Ireland and India and created the situation that resulted in the genocide in Palestine loses its literal shine.

Honestly it is crazy that this country still exists as a monarchy in the 21st century.

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by nl »

tonyhart7 wrote: post #164
actionfromafar wrote: post #158

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Aren’t two letter codes reserved for countries though IIRC.

people forget the fact that countries can break up in the future example: what happen if canada break up into 2 different state that want to their unique tld???? also what happen to current .ca ??? do you migrate all that domain and .ca ceased to exist???? internet is faily new in terms of human history (30+ years) while countries or kingdom has been ceased to exist and "rebrand" all the time its not so simple to jus…

This happened to Yugoslavia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.yu

Re: When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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Post by protocolture »

tonymet wrote: post #115

Though empires are out of fashion , British colonies universally benefited from the British empire. The ones who are thriving today owe a huge debt of gratitude, and the languishing ones are that way because they decided not to continue the British tradition. The 20th century decline of the British empire is one of civilization's worst failures, on par with the decline of the Roman Empire.

Lmao no. You seem like you have podcast brain.

Ireland and Wales are no where near where they would be without being colonised. Let alone states further from the core of the empire.

>The 20th century decline of the British empire is one of civilization's worst failures

Greatest successes. Honestly it could only be better if the britons pushed the angles and saxons back into the ocean.

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