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New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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New research reveals horse-drawn wagon engineering gains slowing, travel at speeds beyond 12mph unlikely.

There are no new modes to switch to. We can’t fly supersonic passenger airlines anymore and haven’t been to the moon since 1972. The new Accela trains run slower than the old ones.

Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not if you throw your hands up and never try! Aging isn't even recognized as a disease yet, and it well should be. Once it gets at least the same kind of focus cancer or heart disease does now? Then we'll talk about how it's "impossible to fix".

That’s a naive take on what senescence is. Look it up. You can stop it, but be prepared to then have to figure out how to deal with all the side effects it prevents. And then you can fix those but be prepared to deal with those side effects. And so on. My point isn’t to stop researching and understanding and even treating, but it’s that life is a balance of tradeoffs. Looking at it as if energy is a universal currenc…

There is no physical or biological constraint that says "senescence absolutely has to happen".

In some species, it doesn't seem to happen at all. In others, it happens extremely slowly. Clearly, there are massive longevity gains left on the table - ones we'll never pick up if we keep whining about "life" being "a balance of tradeoffs".

Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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I don’t want to be that guy but isn’t this kind of an obvious result? The main claim is that life expectancy improvements in the past century are mostly due to decreases in childhood mortality. During the Roman period, the average life expectancy was only 22-25 years old because so many babies were dying prematurely. If you could make it past the age of 10, then you were expected to make it to about 50, which almost…

I think antibiotics also have a lot to do with the initial gains.

Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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post #164
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New research reveals horse-drawn wagon engineering gains slowing, travel at speeds beyond 12mph unlikely.

Right, we’ll just replace ourselves with humanoid robots. Only half joking

You know this is how we will end eventually in the best case. We won’t master our biology, we will simply transcend it by pro-creating offspring that have something better. It’s also a much easier solution than untangling evolved biological systems that are not designed to last for what have been very beneficial reasons (e.g. scientific advances occur via death of the old guard).

Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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I was walking on the street the other day. It was fine summer, and I saw so many elderly walking outside. All of them were using one type of aid or another; some even had a social worker at their side. As I saw them, I was thinking that my 63% marginal tax was paying for it, while I part with 25% of my income after taxes to pay my mom’s pension. That monetary cost is nothing, I would gladly pay it for the rest of my…

> Wouldn’t it make sense to put a big chunk of budget into creating life-extension tech? Only if it can improve life quality rather than length alone. Of course if we make it so you can live to 200 in the body of a 24-year-old and then suddenly drop dead, the good news is there will be no pensions to pay any more and the bad news is you will drop dead at your 180th year at work. Which is not to say I would not take t…

Historically, increases in total lifespan have always corresponded to increases in the length of healthy lives. People don't only live longer, they also live without being sick a whole lot longer.

Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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New research reveals horse-drawn wagon engineering gains slowing, travel at speeds beyond 12mph unlikely.

Right, we’ll just replace ourselves with humanoid robots. Only half joking

Not even that. I guarantee you that once really good brain computer interfaces are a thing, investments into "brain in a vat" companies are going to start being a thing. Because keeping just the brain young and then alive is almost certainly very possible if that's the whole focus.

Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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I believe this is mostly due to misdirected healthcare efforts. I think we could get the average life expectancy up to 100 if we did a better job of all the preventative things: * Prevent airborne disease by having all indoor spaces getting 50 air changes/filters per hour. * Prevent waterborne disease by having all tap water RO treated in homes, and by heating all shit up to boiling point before it leaves toilets. *…

> daily covid-like lateral flow tests for everyone

How would you prevent people from abusing this system? Covid tests were simple to get to show a positive result, and I know some people who would make this instantly unsustainable.

Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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post #118

I was walking on the street the other day. It was fine summer, and I saw so many elderly walking outside. All of them were using one type of aid or another; some even had a social worker at their side. As I saw them, I was thinking that my 63% marginal tax was paying for it, while I part with 25% of my income after taxes to pay my mom’s pension. That monetary cost is nothing, I would gladly pay it for the rest of my…

> But immigration is the only thing that can replenish their workforce. Unchecked immigration of people who do not share the majority of the destination’s cultural values leads to a monoculture that is terrible for everyone. Multiculturalism doesn’t work when everyone’s culture is equal everywhere. And unless it wasn’t obvious, I firmly believe in multiculturalism, but I believe we (here in Europe in particular) have…

How it doesn't work if it actually is?

However there is a lack of law enforcement and lack of integration programs for immigrants.

Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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post #118

I was walking on the street the other day. It was fine summer, and I saw so many elderly walking outside. All of them were using one type of aid or another; some even had a social worker at their side. As I saw them, I was thinking that my 63% marginal tax was paying for it, while I part with 25% of my income after taxes to pay my mom’s pension. That monetary cost is nothing, I would gladly pay it for the rest of my…

> Wouldn’t it make sense to put a big chunk of budget into creating life-extension tech? Only if it can improve life quality rather than length alone. Of course if we make it so you can live to 200 in the body of a 24-year-old and then suddenly drop dead, the good news is there will be no pensions to pay any more and the bad news is you will drop dead at your 180th year at work. Which is not to say I would not take t…

I would take that deal without even thinking about it. Heck, I would take it even if it was for only 100 years. Keeping the energy of a body in its twenties, not risking illnesses like Alzheimer's, dementia, a fragile body that can break at any time for the cost of working 8 hours a day (which we are already doing)? Tell me where to sign it.

Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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post #118

I was walking on the street the other day. It was fine summer, and I saw so many elderly walking outside. All of them were using one type of aid or another; some even had a social worker at their side. As I saw them, I was thinking that my 63% marginal tax was paying for it, while I part with 25% of my income after taxes to pay my mom’s pension. That monetary cost is nothing, I would gladly pay it for the rest of my…

> So, we are paying an extremely high cost for letting God go on with His Slow Tormentous Cooking of Souls before Consumption, and things are only going to get worse, given the demographic expectations. Wouldn’t it make sense to put a big chunk of budget into creating life-extension tech?

It's controversial, but I think it would be tremendously beneficial to our society if we accepted that death is (currently) inevitable and that past some point, assisted suicide is a lot better than artificially prolonging suffering at great cost for as long as possible.

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