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Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by degamad »

sokoloff wrote: post #121
bayindirh wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their life effectively stopped since they are locked out of everything, forever. Not forgetting that the first guy's son's pictures are ended in a CSAM database and he lost his account permanently, and Google didn't give his account back [0]. A company "applied what the law said", and refused that they made a mistake and overreached. Which is generally attributed to governments. So, I you missed the effects of this l…

> Their life effectively stopped since they are locked out of everything What?! Google locked them out of Google . I'm sure they can still get search, email, and cloud services from many other providers. The government can lock you away in a way that is far more impactful and much closer to "life stopped; locked out of everything" than "you can't have the data you gave us back".

Being locked out of your email which is the user name for most of the services you access is a lot more than "you can't have your data back". It's you can't log on to anything which uses email 2fa, you can't restore access to other services, you can't validate your identity with online government services, you don't get your bank statements or warnings, etc. It's not as bad as being arrested, but it is massively disruptive to your life.

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by mrcwinn »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #39
psychoslave wrote: post #28

What a surprise, a big corp collected large amount of personal data under some promises, and now reveals actually they will exploit it in completely unrelated manner.

The are valued at $170 Billion. Not quite the same as, but in same order of magnitude as OpenAI - while having only a single digit percent fraction of active users. They probably need to prepare for the eventual user data sellout, as it is becoming increasingly more obvious that none of the big players has a real and persistent tech leadership anymore. But millions and millions of users sharing their deepest thoughts…

There is far more money to be made building atop this data than selling this data. Your opening statement seems to disagree with your closing statement.

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by dude250711 »

charlie0 wrote: post #170

I'm shocked, shocked! Well, not that shocked. Did anyone really think the subsidy on Claude Code was not going to come back to this?

Maybe they are going to use an average vibe coder's chat to teach Claude to treat subpar developers differently? It could be a win-win outcome.

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by [deleted] »

troad wrote: post #8

You can opt out, but the fact that it's opt-in by default and made to look like a simple T/C update prompt leaves a sour taste in my mouth. The five year retention period seems... excessive. I wonder if they've buried anything else objectionable in the new terms. It was the kick in the pants I needed to cancel my subscription.

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Post by Aurornis »

benterix wrote: post #129
raldi wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“These updates will apply only to new or resumed chats and coding sessions.” https://www.anthropic.com/news/updates-to-our-consumer-terms

What kind of guarantee do we have this is true? Meta downloaded copyrighted content and trained their models on it, OpenAI did the same. Uber developed Greyball to cheat the officials and break the law. Tesla deletes accident data and reports to the authorities they don't have it. So forgive me I have zero trust in whatever these companies say.

> Meta downloaded copyrighted content and trained their models on it, OpenAI did the same

Where did these companies claim they didn’t do this?

Even websites can be covered by copyright. It has always been known that they trained on copyrighted content. The output is considered derivative and therefore it’s not illegal.

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Post by klabb3 »

JCM9 wrote: post #67

Not a surprise. All the major players have reached the limits of training on existing data—they’re already training on essentially the whole internet plus a bunch of content they allegedly stole (hence various lawsuits). There haven’t been any major breakthroughs in model architecture from the major players recently and thus they’re now in a battle for more data to train on. They need data, and they want YOUR data, n…

> They need data, and they want YOUR data, now, and are gonna do increasingly shady things to get it.

But unlike the 100s of data brokers that also want your data, they have an existing operational funnel of your data already that you voluntary give them every day. All they need is dark pattern ToS changes and manage the minor PR issue. People will forget about this in a week.

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by paradite »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #39
psychoslave wrote: post #28

What a surprise, a big corp collected large amount of personal data under some promises, and now reveals actually they will exploit it in completely unrelated manner.

The are valued at $170 Billion. Not quite the same as, but in same order of magnitude as OpenAI - while having only a single digit percent fraction of active users. They probably need to prepare for the eventual user data sellout, as it is becoming increasingly more obvious that none of the big players has a real and persistent tech leadership anymore. But millions and millions of users sharing their deepest thoughts…

Claude Sonnet 4 is the best coding model. Period. Nothing else comes close.

Anthropic probably has 80% of AI coding model market share. That's a trillion dollar market.

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