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Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by d0gsg0w00f »

cramsession wrote: post #169
atleastoptimal wrote: post #162

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Doesn't matter. That hype will draw attention, which will draw investors, which will draw in money to pay for the best researchers until they become SOTA. If 3 years ago the tech was available then how come the Neuralink patients never got that? I'm sure they'd be the first to sign up. Distribution is part of innovation. Brain computer interfaces exist but those who would be willing to undergo the procedure to get th…

That's not how things have played out with Tesla. They have all the investment in the world and the most irrational valuation to have ever graced the public markets, yet their tech is years behind competitors.

But they were first to market. That's 90% of the work. There's a huge gap between "perfect unrealized idea" and "shit you can actually buy". Hate the man all you want, he'll go down in history as the Edison of electric vehicles, even though others will undoubtedly surpass the initial public offering technologically.

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by cramsession »

d0gsg0w00f wrote: post #171
cramsession wrote: post #169

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That's not how things have played out with Tesla. They have all the investment in the world and the most irrational valuation to have ever graced the public markets, yet their tech is years behind competitors.

But they were first to market. That's 90% of the work. There's a huge gap between "perfect unrealized idea" and "shit you can actually buy". Hate the man all you want, he'll go down in history as the Edison of electric vehicles, even though others will undoubtedly surpass the initial public offering technologically.

The claim was that Musk's companies will "win" though, and they aren't (aside from the irrational valuation). Maybe Space X is winning, but Tesla is a minor player in the auto market with declining revenue.

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by asveikau »

fracus wrote: post #123
devinprater wrote: post #59

I'll let other blind people go first, but I'm definitely some one that would love, love, love to be able to see. Driving, knowing body language, playing any and every video game out there, shoot yeah!

From what I've read, if you are blind from birth, but visual signals were suddenly restored, your brain wouldn't know how to process them. Blind from birth = blind forever. I'm not certain though.

"Blind" has way more of a wide definition than we usually appreciate.

I volunteer at a food pantry. There is one old lady who is sometimes rude in the line, shoving through saying "move it, I'm blind!!" She sometimes informs me that produce I hand her has black spots and she doesn't want it.

I believe she may actually be legally blind.

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by goosejuice »

arnaudsm wrote: post #153
goosejuice wrote: post #149

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Well your father can't buy a Waymo. Even if he could it wouldn't go very far, wouldn't work everywhere and would cost at least 2x a model 3 or Y. So there are at least several leads Tesla has. It's a horrible comparison. Why do people keep making it? This isn't Lyft vs Uber. A better comparison to Tesla FSD would be blue cruise, super cruise, drive pilot, god's eye, and every other consumer level 2 ADAS.

I was comparing Robotaxis with Waymo in Texas. If you want to compare Teslas with consumer cars, the best metric we have is the fatality rate per mile. Tesla is #1.

I see that and it's a horrible comparison. Tesla's robotaxi is a consumer car, taxi isn't their singular focus. If it was, FSD design would have taken a different path.

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by michaelmrose »

dvt wrote: post #111
Veserv wrote: post #99

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Still the same depraved head of neurosurgery, Dr. Matthew MacDougall, who said: "If tomorrow laws were changed and the FDA said okay you can do some of this early experimentation in willing human participants that would be a very interesting option I think there would be a lot of people that would step up." [1] That is basically the textbook definition of unethical medical practice, so unquestionably far over the lin…

> That is basically the textbook definition of unethical medical practice This is an extremely uncharitable interpretation of what was said. First of all, it's really hard to get malpractice here, as consent is implied (unless you'd think he'd purposefully do a bad or sloppy job). You could say it's irresponsible, and that argument holds more water, but when folks are in these terrible situations (i.e. terminally ill…

Being blind or disabled isn't anything like dying of cancer.

We allow compassionate testing of therapies that might allow you to live longer because the alternative is an ugly death.

Consent is never ever ever implied and you don't have to deliberately do a poor job to be liable.

Just not having good evidence of the therapy is liable to improve their lot and doing it anyway or failing to impart an accurate picture of the risks because you don't know enough to do so.

How can you possibly have informed consent without the same info that you hope to glean?

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by mekoka »

qayxc wrote: post #165
vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #132

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I think the brain would adapt. It may take a while but the brain is very flexible and adaptable.

According to research impaired structural brain development due to visual deprivation from birth is not fully reversible and limits functional recovery. So even if eye sight is fully restored, cortical function will not be able to fully take advantage of that. Experiments and studies have shown that this might be due to the fact that the visual cortex will take over a similar role in blind people as it does for peopl…

Do you have some links handy? I'd be very much interested in the description of experience from people that have gained sight after congenital blindness.

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by cheschire »

asveikau wrote: post #173
fracus wrote: post #123

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From what I've read, if you are blind from birth, but visual signals were suddenly restored, your brain wouldn't know how to process them. Blind from birth = blind forever. I'm not certain though.

"Blind" has way more of a wide definition than we usually appreciate. I volunteer at a food pantry. There is one old lady who is sometimes rude in the line, shoving through saying "move it, I'm blind!!" She sometimes informs me that produce I hand her has black spots and she doesn't want it. I believe she may actually be legally blind.

Black spots often have a different feeling on produce.

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by monster_truck »

asveikau wrote: post #173
fracus wrote: post #123

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From what I've read, if you are blind from birth, but visual signals were suddenly restored, your brain wouldn't know how to process them. Blind from birth = blind forever. I'm not certain though.

"Blind" has way more of a wide definition than we usually appreciate. I volunteer at a food pantry. There is one old lady who is sometimes rude in the line, shoving through saying "move it, I'm blind!!" She sometimes informs me that produce I hand her has black spots and she doesn't want it. I believe she may actually be legally blind.

I have family like this. They can see enough 'shape' to play something like Tetris extremely well but anything that relies on colors is usually a no. When we were young they had color but that went away first. My understanding is that as they get older the resolution of the shapes gets lower and lower, so they have to make things bigger and be as close as possible.

It was beyond the point of glasses being able to do anything useful for them just as they finished college.

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by michaelmrose »

drdaeman wrote: post #31
mritterhoff wrote: post #18

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I'm not sure whenever it's a good idea to cheer for lack of life-changing technical progress just because it's ran by a company governed by an ethically problematic person. The person is temporary, the progress is permanent.

It is if 99.9% don't need the tech and face worse outcomes in real life because of Musk
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