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Re: Show HN: NextDNS Adds "Bypass Age Verification"

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Post by jofla_net »

ltbarcly3 wrote: post #85
jofla_net wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its not the 'voluntary' services that may or may not want to see your ID, its the existence of any and all Mandatory legislation, which would be a nightmare. This is a tech site so I imagine the average user has some deeper understanding than most(technically), but I guess imagination is off the table. What this would do (requiring all sites) is basically be the end for any and all attempts against identity fraud pro…

ID verification is done by 3rd parties. Nobody wants to hold a photo of your ID because it's a compliance nightmare. You aren't uploading your ID to some porn site, you are uploading it to some real-person verification company.

Not what I'm saying. At any time before the legit handoff, there can be a decoy which users would be blissfully unaware of, shimmed in. How many times do domains change again during the singup process of whatever service you're using (page to page)? Thats a huge security issue, as it messes with what users expect, and they dont take notice one bit. At the very least its an opportunity to confuse users not to realize that the main service shouldn't hand-off at step 3, rather step 7. The other option is services verify themselves (backend), but again, thats worse.

Designing secure services are not 'just' one and done by any means, this whole thing boils down to whether security is a trivial, and a done thing or a very hard problem, and it has always been a very hard problem.

Its one thing to hand over credit cards with very little liability and a charge back ability, its totally another to use irrevocable IDs which cant be resent in the mail in a few days. Then theres the inter-nationality angle. I refuse to use overseas services, who dont recognize a 'drivers license' and want my passport. Sorry, not going to be stuck somewhere because my passport gets leaked and now we need to vist the only embassy 7 hours away before i return home (with kids in tow). Universal Id requirement is a cozy idea but it opens far too many incompatibilities, not to mention country-to-country.

Re: Show HN: NextDNS Adds "Bypass Age Verification"

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Post by 6thbit »

I feel the feature would be better aligned with the rest of nextdns if the message was “Avoid ID checkpoint”, which is more privacy focused and less confrontational than the current presentation.

But that’s when I thought this was a sort of blocklist of ID processors. If what you’re doing really is forcing the site to be served from a different geolocation then maybe just have that as a top level feature. “Use foreign DNS” or something, maybe allow configuring a list of domains I want to happen that on, or geographies I’m ok with connecting to.

Re: Show HN: NextDNS Adds "Bypass Age Verification"

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Post by jansper39 »

buyucu wrote: post #21
perihelions wrote: post #8

As a remark, not a criticism, such a deliberate promotion is probably illegal in the UK market, > "But Ofcom says platforms required to introduce "highly effective" methods to check user age must not host, share or permit content that encourages use of VPNs to get around age checks. The government has also told the BBC it would be illegal for platforms to do so." https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn72ydj70g5o

For people who don't live in the UK, why should they care about UK law?

Because it's becoming the standard everywhere.

Re: Show HN: NextDNS Adds "Bypass Age Verification"

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Post by backscratches »

petcat wrote: post #36
freedomben wrote: post #6

It may not be effective in the long term, but I think it's very much worth doing. The privacy nightmare of uploading government docs is appalling and should be resisted by all who can, so I think you're doing great work. If it provokes regulators to push harder, they might just get enough attention from voters to motivate a change. That would be my hope anyway

> More and more sites (especially adult ones) are now forcing users to upload IDs or selfies to continue. > they might just get enough attention from voters to motivate a change Unfortunately, guaranteeing anonymous internet porno is a terrible political beachhead to motivate "voters" to do anything.

Because there are so many explicit Bible verses[1], require ID verification to read scripture (online at least) and get the religious on your side!

[1] For example Ezekiel 23:20

Re: Show HN: NextDNS Adds "Bypass Age Verification"

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Post by jansper39 »

kaboomshebang wrote: post #150

On-topic: Seems like a good feature. Off-topic: I've been reading some of the comments and I notice a bunch of HN-members are unhappy about their product. My experience: things never broke for me, never needed to contact support, ads are blocked, etc (But I also use uBlock, etc) (P.s. - My only complaint is that -- like so many other SaaS offerings -- administrating payments is not easy enough. - No option to pay by…

I've sadly moved away from the service due to it seeming to get a lot slower in recent months. Have moved to a self hosted pihole instance and everything is noticeably faster including most of the apps on my PC.

Re: Show HN: NextDNS Adds "Bypass Age Verification"

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Post by atonse »

lionkor wrote: post #149
atonse wrote: post #73

I use NextDNS to BLOCK porn sites, etc from my kids’ devices. I hope you aren’t changing your ethos as a company, although I don’t know, maybe your customers are changing and causing you to pivot. Because I don’t want any chance of this stuff affecting the blocks we use for minors, etc.

Age verification doesn't protect minors, so I doubt their ethos changed.

Yeah the non-anonymity part of it is troubling.

In HN comment thread for another post, I had hoped that we could come up with a rating system like we have with Movies, TV, Apps, mediated by HTTP Headers.

I feel that is all we actually need. Then I can configure a browser a certain way, and the site publisher can just send a header saying "X-Content-Rating: Mature" or something along those lines, and that's it. It would be anonymous and opt-in.

Re: Show HN: NextDNS Adds "Bypass Age Verification"

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Post by maxmax_ »

AnonC wrote: post #105

Sorry to get on to a related topic, since the NextDNS team may be looking at these comments. Is there any plan at all to revive the iOS app (last updated in 2020) so that the toggle in the app actually works? I don’t like installing a NextDNS profile because it doesn’t offer the flexibility to turn it off or on as needed. The app used to work pre-2020, but doesn’t now. On my iPhone, at any given date and time, it’s j…

I‘m also using the iOS App and I think you need to wait a bit after using the toggle because the DNS requests might be cached by the Browser

Re: Show HN: NextDNS Adds "Bypass Age Verification"

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Post by [deleted] »

pogue wrote: post #76

Hey @nextdns team. I'm a long time customer of NextDNS. I've been using your service for a few years now, but it seems a large amount of your primarily offered services & blocklist offerings are SEVERLY out of date. I detailed that here on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/nextdns/s/IX2mUogHPK Your input on this thread would be greatly appreciated, as the community wants NextDNS to be the best service it can be. I do…

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Re: Show HN: NextDNS Adds "Bypass Age Verification"

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Post by riedel »

MistahKoala wrote: post #55
perihelions wrote: post #8

As a remark, not a criticism, such a deliberate promotion is probably illegal in the UK market, > "But Ofcom says platforms required to introduce "highly effective" methods to check user age must not host, share or permit content that encourages use of VPNs to get around age checks. The government has also told the BBC it would be illegal for platforms to do so." https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn72ydj70g5o

NextDNS isn't a content platform required to have age checks, so no, that prohibition doesn't apply here and promoting the bypass feature isn't 'probably illegal'.

But HN might be Ofcoms next target now I guess, giving all the comments and post an circumvention...

Re: Show HN: NextDNS Adds "Bypass Age Verification"

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Post by kaboomshebang »

haswell wrote: post #152
kaboomshebang wrote: post #150

On-topic: Seems like a good feature. Off-topic: I've been reading some of the comments and I notice a bunch of HN-members are unhappy about their product. My experience: things never broke for me, never needed to contact support, ads are blocked, etc (But I also use uBlock, etc) (P.s. - My only complaint is that -- like so many other SaaS offerings -- administrating payments is not easy enough. - No option to pay by…

I’m also a happy customer. Regarding payments, I pay yearly. At the time I signed up I think it was the only option. They do have a $1.99/month option now, but they still offer yearly pricing.

Found that yearly payment option :)
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