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How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card

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Re: How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card

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Post by kqr »

RugnirViking wrote: post #150
yorwba wrote: post #146

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Different in the sense that they consume more alcohol? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_c... That it is legal for children to drink under parental supervision also doesn't necessarily mean that parents will allow it, so the legal situation isn't necessarily the deciding factor.

For what it's worth, in both Denmark and the UK, my experience has been that children are indeed allowed it on occasion, often celebrations like Christmas where they will have something like bucks fizz or a little cider or something alongside the adults.

Right, and this leads to greater consumption in life. This has been studied. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03064...

Re: How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card

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Post by marksimi »

c22 wrote: post #16
gretch wrote: post #14

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You inferred it, but it's not implied. Instead of thinking of a bet as saying "I have good cards" think of it instead as "I have an advantage in this pot", which is not a lie. In poker advantages can come from cards, or from other objective measures such as position, stack size. And of course from subjective measures like being able to read your opponent.

If reading your opponent is a strategy that confers advantage then it stands to reason that deceiving your opponent is as well.

I feel one of the most useful skills picked up by poker that people don't explicitly speak about is managing your information effectively.

Deceiving my opponent has the connotation of this happening in one instance. After you realize that you can't convincingly deceive your opponents in poker into perpetuity, it becomes a game of managing your image —revealing the right information while being conscious of information that you shared in the past (if you're playing someone skilled or perceptive, that is).

On the flip side, what an excellent game to help people pay attention to signals, figure out how to weigh them appropriately, and appropriately act on them when the situation calls for it.

Re: How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card

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Post by bondarchuk »

thoroughburro wrote: post #166
nkrisc wrote: post #158

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We weren’t gambling. Nobody won or lost anything.

What were the chips for, then? How did you determine a result to the session?

By that measure playing Monopoly is gambling.

Re: How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card

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Post by marksimi »

schwartzworld wrote: post #162
sans_souse wrote: post #97

I'm surprised at the general tone of response here towards the subject of poker overall (I didn't read the article yet so perhaps something more is in the context, but all the same); I understand there are many in the poker world even regarding the most successful of whom are regarded as living a degenerate lifestyle, but being that I was previously in that world myself and was not a degenerate type; I never gambled…

> NL Holdem poker is absolutely a game of skill with an element of variance aka luck/lack-there-of. I’ve played a lot of Holdem, and I’m not sure I agree. A lot of what passes for skill is just an innate understanding of the odds. John Scarne writes about gambling that a good bet isn’t one you are likely to win, but one where the payout is enough to be worth the risk. The best players know the odds of pulling a strai…

You're not wrong that knowing the odds is a component of the skill, but to suggest that skill in poker stops there is minimizing many of the advanced aspects that require playing at a higher level (information management, assessing a player's likely range, determining the equity of a player's range with cards to come, realizing when your or their range is capped, etc)

Re: How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card

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Post by philipallstar »

tamat wrote: post #120
PaulRobinson wrote: post #108

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Why? Poker is a great way to learn a lot of life lessons about human psychology, money management, strategy vs tactics, game theory, and so much more. There is this weird protestant puritanism around so many aspects of life that confuse me. Every child is going to become an adult, but there is this attitude that they must be shielded from all adult knowledge until they're 21 as if that's helpful. Your kid can - throu…

It´s about normalizing something we think it could lead to problems. I dont want to romanticize the game in his mind, so when he grows up people ask him to play poker and he sees it as "that nice game we played at home!". It is a game with very strong connections with gambling. There are thousands of other games without that association which are as rewarding as poker.

Don't let your kids enter a raffle, then.

Re: How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card

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Post by nkrisc »

thoroughburro wrote: post #166
nkrisc wrote: post #158

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We weren’t gambling. Nobody won or lost anything.

What were the chips for, then? How did you determine a result to the session?

The chips were to determine the winner of the game. Then when the game was over we put all the chips back. The winner walked away with nothing more than what they arrived with. The losers walked away with exactly what they arrived with.

If you think getting to say “I won” is gambling, then we have nothing to discuss.

Re: How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card

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Post by renox »

kqr wrote: post #149
renox wrote: post #118

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Depends on which level of 'amateur chess', for kids there are real beginners who barely know the rules and ~1600-elo players in the same competition..

...and unlike in poker, the 1600 Elo players will beat the real beginners in every game. That's what I mean.

Ah OK, yes you're right.

Re: How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card

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Post by marksimi »

sans_souse wrote: post #97

I'm surprised at the general tone of response here towards the subject of poker overall (I didn't read the article yet so perhaps something more is in the context, but all the same); I understand there are many in the poker world even regarding the most successful of whom are regarded as living a degenerate lifestyle, but being that I was previously in that world myself and was not a degenerate type; I never gambled…

Also used to be in that world and identify similarly in terms of my lack of love for gambling.

I'd suggest that you're empirically incorrect in saying that there is no perfect approach against a skilled player (6handed games which often reduce to a single heads-up interactions by showdown):

1. we know that a Nash equilibrium exists for every two-player zero-sum game such that it’s mathematically unexploitable

2. Pluribus approximated the Nash well enough (didn’t have to search over 10^161 possibilities) to crush high stakes skilled player over a good run of hands

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