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New executive order puts all grants under political control

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Re: New executive order puts all grants under political control

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Post by doublerabbit »

sizzle wrote: post #152
Yizahi wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This ends USA, full stop. Not this particular executive order, but his orders in general. It's been half a year and that orange turd has completely overtaken USA legislative branch with this "economic emergency", while bobbleheads in the Congress just signed it away voluntarily. And now he is taking preliminary shots at the judicial branch, trying to eradicate judges who aren't bending the knee. All the while testing…

What can we do about it?

General Strike.

If everyone tomorrow just stopped working around the world, that would paint a pretty picture.

Re: New executive order puts all grants under political control

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Post by mindslight »

msgodel wrote: post #123
russellbeattie wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This year is definitely the beginning of the end for American scientific leadership. The damage being done is incalculable. The best and brightest simply aren't going to want to come to the U.S. for an uncertain future where they'll be harassed at the airport every trip and then defunded or deported at any time for "political" reasons (a.k.a. racism, bigotry, religion, ignorance and anti-intellectualism). Amazingly,…

Whether it's real or just poor communication a lot of the country felt like the scientific institutions had been weaponized against them. Maybe the constituents of those institutions even believed either making themselves an enemy of the public or creating PR indicating they were was moral but the practical reality of public institutions is that they must have the trust of the public or they will come to an end. Hope…

It must be nice to be in Trumpist lala land, where it's always someone else's fault.

Trust of our institutions, scientific and other, had been deliberately destroyed by anti-intellectual political hacks over the past few decades. Some from appealing to regressive religious fundamentalism, but much just shameless ignorant grandstanding of painting the complex world as unfair. And it's mostly those same hacks who are now supporting the wanton burning of our societal institutions while continuing to whitewash it as "conservatism".

Sorry, the fault here lays entirely with the fascists - most especially with the people supporting them who should have known better.

Re: New executive order puts all grants under political control

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Post by BobaFloutist »

doublerabbit wrote: post #171
sizzle wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What can we do about it?

General Strike. If everyone tomorrow just stopped working around the world, that would paint a pretty picture.

"If everyone just" isn't ever a real solution.

Re: New executive order puts all grants under political control

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Post by BobaFloutist »

tremon wrote: post #153
panarchy wrote: post #8

There's a reason the Americans discovered how to make atomic weapons first and it's because their researchers were living under a less oppressive state that wasn't motivated by anti-intellectualism and dumb ideology.

Nice revisionism you got there. It wasn't Americans that discovered it. It was mostly German scientists working in the US after they fled their own more oppressive state.

People that flee their own, more oppressive state to build a better life in America are Americans. That's the whole point.

Re: New executive order puts all grants under political control

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Post by mathiaspoint »

Yizahi wrote: post #126
ocschwar wrote: post #31

This ends science in the United States. You can't really enroll graduate students for a 5 year PHD project if their funding can be pulled at a moment's notice like this.

This ends USA, full stop. Not this particular executive order, but his orders in general. It's been half a year and that orange turd has completely overtaken USA legislative branch with this "economic emergency", while bobbleheads in the Congress just signed it away voluntarily. And now he is taking preliminary shots at the judicial branch, trying to eradicate judges who aren't bending the knee. All the while testing…

It may be that the Americans don't like what the USA has turned into and want it to end.

Re: New executive order puts all grants under political control

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Post by themafia »

astrange wrote: post #134
themafia wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The jingoist dream of America is falling apart. It must seem, to some who are very dependent on it existing, as if the sky actually is falling. Perhaps it's just a good opportunity for them to study history that has been untouched by North American propaganda. Anyways, we have the Internet, I'm not sure it matters _where_ innovations are created anymore. It certainly does not seem to be stopping China on any level. A…

You're asking for sea shipping to stop working because naval piracy is going to come back. The "military industrial complex" isn't real and isn't a significant part of the economy (military spending as % US GDP has continually fallen over time), but the Navy patrolling the entire world's oceans for free has been real until now.

Nonsense. I'm asking for other nations to pay for their own defense. You seem to believe, without any evidence, that if the US Navy can't patrol the oceans, then no one can. Which is such an insane position to take I can't believe you're being anything but flippant or perhaps that you work for the Navy itself.

The "military industrial complex" is absolutely real. You just don't seem to realize that the MIC is into buying software and social media networks these days and not so much carriers and jet fighters. So your spending analysis is flawed and your outcome analysis is wildly out of touch with actual reality.

It's an extremely infantile view. Bought and paid for by the MIC itself. No wonder you can't recognize the reality of it.

Re: New executive order puts all grants under political control

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Post by Schmerika »

user____name wrote: post #173

I wonder what the democrats are going to do when their midterms fail and their hats are out of rabbits.

Lament the state of things, blame Republicans and third party voters, take more money from fossil fuel and AIPAC, do a bit more insider trading, and ask us all for more money because they're totally going to protect abortion rights and stop ICE this time.

An arms embargo vs Israel would be wildly popular among Dem voters - but don't ask campaign staffers about it unless you want to be marked as "no response" [0].

0 - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/uncommitted-le...

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