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Post by Y-bar »

bdisl wrote: post #167
Y-bar wrote: post #128

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I have knowingly voted for less freedoms for myself multiple times and I know it, for example I have voted: - to have less freedom to pollute the environment. - to have less freedom where I am able to defraud my customers. - to have less freedom to have less ability to lie about medical "benefits" of fake cures. I am also a big proponent of freedom-limiting legislation like GDPR which prevents myself and my employer…

That is a lot of typing for a massive strawman that is more likely to belong in Reddit than here.

I understood your comment as restricting my own freedoms was a fully bad thing, and I therefore tried to provide examples of positive freedoms being afforded to you by restricting my own negative freedoms.

Explain why that is a straw-man.

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Post by bpt3 »

palmfacehn wrote: post #150
bpt3 wrote: post #31

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These sound like the exact reasons we don't have a direct democracy. “A democracy will continue to exist up until the time voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.” - not Peter Thiel

Tyranny of the majority redux. I find it illustrative that so many here defend Democracy as an ends to be achieved or an unqualified good unto itself, rather than a process or a means to an end. It illustrates the arguments made elsewhere about how democratic processes and institutions have been succeeded by Democracy, the belief. As an unqualified good, one can simply claim that the majority has voted or that the De…

Hoppe is far too extreme for my tastes and did not seem too interested in rigorously supporting his (distasteful to put it mildly) preconceived notions, but yes direct democracy is undesirable for a number of reasons IMO.

See Squid Game as a more recent commentary.

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Post by grafmax »

anonfordays wrote: post #118
grafmax wrote: post #116

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They’re not death camps. But mass detention without due process - that’s a concentration camp.

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At Alligator Alcatraz and CECOT, people are held without charges, denied timely access to legal counsel, and prevented from having a fair hearing to challenge their detention. At CECOT, transfers from the US occur without notice to attorneys or families, in a foreign justice system that has suspended many basic rights.

The conditions at these facilities are inhumane and deliberately so. The purpose is to punish people, not detain people awaiting fair trials. Besides the other issues, being punished without trial is a clear violation of constitutional rights.

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Post by hollerith »

grafmax wrote: post #170
hollerith wrote: post #120

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That definition would make most refugee camps concentration camps.

People aren’t legally detained in refugee camps though. They are fleeing worse conditions.

OK, but if I am part of a large flow of people fleeing country X for country Y, more often than not, I cannot move around country Y as I please: I am restricted to a refugee camp. Also more often than not, I am not entitled to a hearing in front of a magistrate to dispute that restriction.

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Post by newsclues »

indoordin0saur wrote: post #113
jelder wrote: post #9

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Worst possible take. The government sucks _because_ of decades of slip into corporate control and manufactured consent.

Your take and his take are not incompatible.

Exactly.

What is the solution? Is it more corporate controlled, incompetence in government? Or is it less government that is focused on core issues and building competency and trust?

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Post by grafmax »

hollerith wrote: post #174
grafmax wrote: post #170

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People aren’t legally detained in refugee camps though. They are fleeing worse conditions.

OK, but if I am part of a large flow of people fleeing country X for country Y, more often than not, I cannot move around country Y as I please: I am restricted to a refugee camp. Also more often than not, I am not entitled to a hearing in front of a magistrate to dispute that restriction.

Most refugees don’t live in camps. Some camps don’t restrict movement, and those that do restrict it to widely varying degrees. Some do have features of concentration camps. Typically, even in closed camps, there’s no claim that refugees have violated the law as justification for detentions. Refugees are typically fleeing to escape dangerous situations.

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Post by estearum »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #146
miltonlost wrote: post #105

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What's great about voting is that it gives the government a mandate from and therefore legitimacy to the electorate. It has nothing to do with little kids' aspirations to be a leader.

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Post by estearum »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #165
potato3732842 wrote: post #160

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>I've asked this before, but how many Americans could even state a simple definition of what due process rights are? It's because most people don't have a good grasp of how diverse and often flimsy administrative and civil process (in cases where one party is the .gov is in reality. Typically the answer is "whatever the enforcing agencies come up with", which isn't very reassuring. Like for a traffic ticket they at l…

>I don't know what "due process" consists of for immigration violations but I would bet my last dollar that it is an absolute joke compared to the high end of civil Then let's explore that. There are some rights which aren't fundamental human rights... that is, you don't get them just by virtue of existing. Voting comes to mind, that's a citizen's right only. The right to be present within the borders of the United S…

> The process which is due (among whatever other redundant triplechecks they should be doing) is to hear all such protests in good faith and evaluate whatever evidence such a person provides. I haven't heard of any refusing to do such a thing (but if they have, it should be grounds for termination).

A DOJ lawyer literally said they haven't been doing this sufficiently and then he got sacked by Pam Bondi. SCOTUS then reaffirmed 9 to 0 that the original lawyer who admitted this failure in court was actually correct, that DOJ wasn't giving people their due process rights.

I find it extremely hard to believe you have not heard about the Kilmar Abrego case?

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Post by hollerith »

grafmax wrote: post #176
hollerith wrote: post #174

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OK, but if I am part of a large flow of people fleeing country X for country Y, more often than not, I cannot move around country Y as I please: I am restricted to a refugee camp. Also more often than not, I am not entitled to a hearing in front of a magistrate to dispute that restriction.

Most refugees don’t live in camps. Some camps don’t restrict movement, and those that do restrict it to widely varying degrees. Some do have features of concentration camps. Typically, even in closed camps, there’s no claim that refugees have violated the law as justification for detentions. Refugees are typically fleeing to escape dangerous situations.

As of the end of 2021 there were around 6.7 million registered refugees from Syria globally. This figure is reported by the UNHCR (United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees) in their Global Trends report for 2021. These refugees were primarily hosted in neighboring countries such as Turkey, Lebanon, and Jordan -- and most of those are restricted to refugee camps -- and the ones who enjoy the freedom to move around the country probably achieved that through bribery, which of course is not the same thing as having due-process rights.

Refugees admitted into Europe are not restricted to camps and do have some due-process rights, but they have at most times been a distinct minority of the refugees in the world.

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Post by rayiner »

guelo wrote: post #164
rayiner wrote: post #147

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> destruction of government institutions in 6 months that were built over decades by hundreds of laws passed by thousands of elected representatives Republicans made the case to their voters that these institutions were permanently controlled by Democrats, and expressly promised to dismantle them. And Republicans won the Presidency and both houses of Congress. There's no principle of "democracy" that says changes to…

> that these institutions were permanently controlled by Democrats the lies is what got us here

Not only is it true, it's not even debatable. 84% of federal employee campaign contributions went to Kamala Harris: https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2024/11/federal-employees-.... If you exclude DOD, it's like 90%. In State and Commerce, it was like 95%.

To put that into context, replacing the federal workforce with random voters from AOC's district in New York City would double the percentage of Republicans! (https://nypost.com/2024/11/09/us-news/aocs-district-saw-mass...)

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