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Re: Meta's Vision for Superintelligence

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Post by benterix »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #169
benterix wrote: post #168

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I would insist something is wrong here. 3k a month for an SWE seems on the lower end, really. I'm pretty sure you could get 4k just by switching jobs without too much effort and staying at the mid lever. 5k should be possible for senior positions. If you take this into account, it changes the dynamics. But even if we assumed for a moment that 3k is some kind of upper limit: remuneration reflects demand. If nobody wan…

>I would insist something is wrong here. 3k a month for an SWE seems on the lower end, really. 3K NETTO(post-tax) is the norm for mid positions in Austria for SW devs, not on the lower end. Where do you live if this is too low? > 5k should be possible for senior positions. 5k NETTO is the norm?! In this market? WHERE? Survivorship bias maybe? >From this perspective, things might be working as expected in a society wi…

I guess it depends on the type of contract. I checked the job offers on https://germantechjobs.de/en and it seems 80k/year is in the middle for many for these (I ignored job offers where they start with 45k for a senior position, this is just ridiculous).

And it seems I was wrong, because according to this page https://salaryaftertax.com/de/salary-calculator 80k actually gives you only 4k/month, not 5k, because of almost 40% tax. Sorry for that (on the other hand, I learned something new...).

Re: Meta's Vision for Superintelligence

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

antfarm wrote: post #158
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #65

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>There's a bunch of people who want a large income (wealth) disparity Apart form you of course, so I'm sure you'd be ok if the government would tax your higher than average tech wage till your take home pay would match that of a train conductor's or bus driver's, like in Western Europe, and therefore fix the wage gap you hate so much. Would you like that solution? Caption this: It's only a problem when the people who…

I believe that in the long run, that solution would be preferable to the effects of income and wealth disparity on US society.

And who's gonna want to do complex skilled jobs then if you pay them poorly?

Re: Meta's Vision for Superintelligence

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Post by insane_dreamer »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #173
antfarm wrote: post #158

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I believe that in the long run, that solution would be preferable to the effects of income and wealth disparity on US society.

And who's gonna want to do complex skilled jobs then if you pay them poorly?

False dichotomy. Reducing inequality doesn't mean people doing complex skilled jobs should be paid poorly.

Re: Meta's Vision for Superintelligence

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Post by insane_dreamer »

sailingparrot wrote: post #58

> We'll need to be rigorous about mitigating these risks and careful about what we choose to open source. Here we go, predictably pulling the oldest trick in the book, just two weeks after it was reported [1] that the Superintelligence leadership was discussing moving to closed source for their best models, not for any risk mitigation reason, but for competitive reasons. Also, > As recently as 200 years ago, 90% of p…

> spending more time on creativity, culture, relationships, and enjoying life

I wish this were true for the average person, but I'm not sure that it is.

Re: Meta's Vision for Superintelligence

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Post by ProofHouse »

hnthrow90348765 wrote: post #34

This stuff is naive. There's a bunch of people who want a large income (wealth) disparity, and they will fight to preserve it unless you give them an equivalent station in the 'new world'. But you will still need to sustain ex-workers if they can't get normal jobs, and those same people at the top will not tolerate the taxes required to sustain a basic level of living for much wider population. They already can't tol…

Mark has never had pure intentions born out and proven by 2 decades of decisions. Mark is NOT who we want shepherding in Superintelligence.

Re: Meta's Vision for Superintelligence

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Post by cwmoore »

somebehemoth wrote: post #132
bigfishrunning wrote: post #119

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Yes, but from the point of view of the minimum wage worker, they don't identify with either the engineer or Zuck, so those two are equivalent.

What now? How would you even begin to know this? It sounds like you are out of touch if you don't think low wage earners can tell the vast difference between normal people and billionaires.

The tech worker and the billionaire both have enough money. The menial worker does not. See the difference yet?

Re: Meta's Vision for Superintelligence

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Post by benterix »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #170
benterix wrote: post #161

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I have a good job, most of my friends earn, say, 4x bus driver salary.

In another comment you shared a avenge bus driver salary as 44k/year. So by your statement, your friends would earn 4x that, meaning 176k/year while you said you earn 6x that at 264k/year. Sorry, but something is wrong here. Either you're data/math is wrong, or you and your friends work in the top 1% FAANGs/big-tech jobs, because those tech salaries aren't the norm in Europe.

No, 44k for a bus driver is in Germany. I also saw job offers for SWE in Germany at 35k, though... To make a solid argument we would have to compare medians.

My loose impression is the median for regular SWEs in Germany is around 60k and for senior positions ca 80k. Whether this is demotivating or otherwise is a matter of personal attitude I think - the difference is not enormous but it is there.

Re: Meta's Vision for Superintelligence

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Post by tim333 »

cootsnuck wrote: post #157
tim333 wrote: post #146

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That's not really what he said.

Isn't it though? He's provided zero evidence to suggest otherwise. So of course we are all going to assume he's talking about the current, popular, SOTA architectures still as the foundational piece.

No it's not.

>So you know for a fact that intelligence comes from token prediction, do you, Mark?

He never said that for a start nor much of the other stuff. I mean I can accuse him of say pigs fly but it's kind of silly if he didn't say that.

I mean it's like before powered flight someone says powered flight is coming that the critic say how can you claim steam engines will take off? It's kind of silly and about the same as the superintelligence won't happen because LLMs aren't very good argument.

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