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Against the censorship of adult content by payment processors

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Re: Against the censorship of adult content by payment processors

#171

just use bitcoin. there is literally no downside. it is easier to implement than most payment providers that i know. moreover there are payment provider that work with bitcoin so you do not have to.

The downside is of course that you limit your potential clientele to those who have bitcoin, and that every transaction is publicly logged forever.

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Re: Against the censorship of adult content by payment processors

#172

just use bitcoin. there is literally no downside. it is easier to implement than most payment providers that i know. moreover there are payment provider that work with bitcoin so you do not have to.

Horrible fees, long waiting times, forced centralized exchanges. That’s after they claimed cheap, fast, decentralized. Fk that scam, I’ll stay with regular money.

so you are quite wrong on fees

https://phoenix.acinq.co/faq#where-is-my-on-chain-balance

if you want to read about recent bitcoin wallets.

Re: Against the censorship of adult content by payment processors

#173

just use bitcoin. there is literally no downside. it is easier to implement than most payment providers that i know. moreover there are payment provider that work with bitcoin so you do not have to.

Unless you live in China, Algeria, Egypt, Morocco, Bolivia, Bangladesh, Nepal, Iraq...

they first have to prove you have bitcoin.

Re: Against the censorship of adult content by payment processors

#174

just use bitcoin. there is literally no downside. it is easier to implement than most payment providers that i know. moreover there are payment provider that work with bitcoin so you do not have to.

The downside is of course that you limit your potential clientele to those who have bitcoin, and that every transaction is publicly logged forever.

you can just add them along with others. then limit ie adult content to bitcoin payments

Re: Against the censorship of adult content by payment processors

#175

At least in Japan, I'm surprised that they haven't expanded Suica and similar systems to include online shopping.

So that Visa buys them, like it happened to French Carte bleue the moment it started targetting online shopping?

Re: Against the censorship of adult content by payment processors

#176

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The alternative is to allow private behavior to do the dirty jobs instead, which is even worse

This is how it's been done in the USA since 9/11. Data isn't subpoenaed (would getting into people's rights) it's just bought (no rights violation). Controls aren't from the government, they are 'implementing industry standards'. Want to silence someone? Deplatform them. Want to deny access? Flag them with an opaque trust score. No constitutional rights are violated.

Indeed, breaking up the too-big companies nicely solves several of these issues. It's much harder to deplatform someone if there are a dozen viable social media/video/critical Internet infrastructure companies, instead of just one or two.

Re: Against the censorship of adult content by payment processors

#177

I think a lot of people are missing the point. Most likely what's happening here is that the issuers (not Visa/MC) see a large number of chargebacks/fraud for adult content sites and have determined that it's much easier if they don't accept transactions from these sites.

If this were actually true, then they would have gone after ALL NSFW games on Steam - but they very deliberately targeted specific genres that they didn't like.

You think chargebacks are disproportionately higher on NSFW games revolving around non-consensual themes versus other fetishes? Give me a break.

Re: Against the censorship of adult content by payment processors

#178

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you are taking it for granted that corporations should largely be given the same civil rights as private citizens, as decided in citizens united v. FEC, but in my view this was one of the worst decisions to ever come out of the supreme court.

Hmm, maybe, I haven't thought about it much. The angle I'm taking is, as a private citizen I choose not to do business with entities I think are immoral, such as Amazon and Home Depot and Hobby Lobby and Uline and Tesla. If I were a business owner, I would prefer to continue to not to do business with those entities and I'd be pretty pissed if I was forced to by the government. That does seem to agree with your "same…

Regulatory capture and regional monopolies aren't going anyway any time soon. Let's throw out another hypothetical.

How would you feel if the only broadband ISP in your area automatically blocked entire swaths of websites from you on the grounds that the ISP felt they were "immoral" (whatever that means)? And yes I know VPNs exist but that is missing the point.

Payment processors are "pipelines" in the same manner as ISPs should be. If the major ones (VISA/MC) block you from doing business, that's putting someone's entire livelihood at risk.

EDIT: For clarification, I agree that antitrust has never been weaker and that we do need better trust-busting. I just think that it is more realistic to focus on legislation around payment processors MC/VISA atm.

Re: Against the censorship of adult content by payment processors

#179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm, maybe, I haven't thought about it much. The angle I'm taking is, as a private citizen I choose not to do business with entities I think are immoral, such as Amazon and Home Depot and Hobby Lobby and Uline and Tesla. If I were a business owner, I would prefer to continue to not to do business with those entities and I'd be pretty pissed if I was forced to by the government. That does seem to agree with your "same…

Regulatory capture and regional monopolies aren't going anyway any time soon. Let's throw out another hypothetical. How would you feel if the only broadband ISP in your area automatically blocked entire swaths of websites from you on the grounds that the ISP felt they were "immoral" (whatever that means)? And yes I know VPNs exist but that is missing the point. Payment processors are "pipelines" in the same manner as…

I agree natural monopolies such as ISPs can justify additional regulation. I'm not convinced payment processors are natural monopolies (see sibling thread, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44683153 ).

> I just think that it is more realistic to focus on legislation around payment processors MC/VISA atm.

I think it would be really, really, really hard to pass legislation requiring payment processors to service all customers, especially if you're using porn video games as the champion of your cause. Even if it did pass, I suspect it'd be pretty quickly declared unconstitutional and personally, I think that would be the correct call.

We already have anti-trust laws. We've used them before. "All" we have to do is enforce them.

Re: Against the censorship of adult content by payment processors

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I agree with the premise of this post, but I'd like to see it made by someone else (and not only because this is on a furry blog.)Their argument is also poorly formed and poorly written. They start by defending their use of furry art and railing against potential backlash from HN. Then spend a lot of words talking about how Collective Shout isn't anti-LGBTQ, but could potentially become anti-LGBTQ, but even if it's n…

Somebody has no appreciation for literature and writing. Philistine. Do you shake your fist at The New Yorker and The Atlantic because they don't get to the point fast enough for your poor code-addled engineer brain?
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