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It's rude to show AI output to people

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Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by majormajor »

pyman wrote: post #126
aidos wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don’t think they’re the same thing. Email or letter, the words are yours while an LLM output isn’t.

Initially, it had the same effect on people until they got used to it. In the near future, whether the text is yours or not won't matter. What will matter is the message or idea you're communicating. Just like today, it doesn't matter if the code is yours, only the product you're shipping and problem it's solving.

Similar-looking effects are not the "same" effect.

"Change always triggers backlash" does not imply "all backlash is unwarranted."

> What will matter is the message or idea you're communicating. Just like today, it doesn't matter if the code is yours, only the product you're shipping and problem it's solving.

But like the article explains about why it's rude: the less thought you put into it, the less chance the message is well communicated. The less thought you put into the code you ship, the less chance it will solve the problem reliably and consistently.

You aren't replying to "don't use LLM tools" you're replying to "don't just trust and forward their slop blindly."

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by exographicskip »

stevekemp wrote: post #131
vouaobrasil wrote: post #66

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Best thing you can do is quit LinkedIn. I deleted my account immediately once I first noticed AI-generated content there.

I guess that makes sense, unless you're single. LinkedIn is the new tinder.

Color me intrigued

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by pyman »

lxgr wrote: post #118
phito wrote: post #4

I really wish some of my coworkers would stop using LLMs to write me emails or even Teams messages. It does feel extremely rude, to the point I don't even want to read them anymore.

"Hey, I can't help but notice that some of the messages you're sending me are partially LLM-generated. I appreciate you wanting to communicate stylistically and grammatically correct, but I personally prefer the occasional typo or inelegant expression over the chance of distorted meanings or lost/hallucinated context. Going forward, could you please communicate with me directly? I really don't mind a lack of capitali…

I see two things people are not happy about when it comes to LLMs:

1. The message you sent doesn't feel personal. It reads like something written by a machine, and I struggle to connect with someone who sends me messages like that.

2. People who don't speak English very well are now sending me perfectly written messages with solid arguments. And honestly, my ego doest’t like it because I used to think I was more intelligent than them. Turns out I wasn't. It was just my perception, based on the fact that I speak the language natively.

Both of these things won't matter anymore in the next two or three years. LLMs will keep getting smarter, while our egos will keep getting smaller.

People still don't fully grasp just how much LLMs will reshape the way we communicate and work, for better or worse.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by unyttigfjelltol »

conartist6 wrote: post #163
unyttigfjelltol wrote: post #152

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If you come to the LLM with your message, and then use the LLM to iterate drafts and tighten your prose, then no, the exercise was exactly the opposite of a disrespect to the reader. Sending half-baked, run-on, unvetted writing, when you easily could have chosen otherwise, is in fact the disrespectful choice.

Why would I want everyone who talks to me to sound like a clone of the same vapid robot? I would avoid that world at any cost of I was allowed a choice, but the point is that it's used as a weapon against you. Consent appears to be unnecessary.

You and I must be talking to different LLMs. For example, here's how R1 1776 would concisely rewrite your comment in a warm, generous wise voice:

I cherish the unique humanity in every voice. Forced robotic uniformity feels like an imposition, not a choice—and consent matters deeply.

The output is the the opposite of how you describe it, and vastly more persuasive than your own words. When it's persuasion that matters, use all tools available.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by Arainach »

ghjnut wrote: post #166
gharper wrote: post #8

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It’s the conversational equivalent of “Let me google that for you”.

It is, which I'd argue has a time and a place. Maybe it's more specific to how I cut my teeth in the industry but as programmer whenever I had to ask a question of e.g the ops team, I'd make sure it was clear I'd made an effort to figure out my problem. Here's how I understand the issue, here's what I tried yadda yadda. Now I'm the 40-year-old ops guy fielding those questions. I'll write up an LLM question emphasizin…

Instead of spending this time, it is faster, simpler, and more effective to phrase these questions in the form "have you checked the docs and what did they say?"

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by panarchy »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #130
righthand wrote: post #94

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Seriously you should respond to the slop in the email and waste your coworkers time too. “No I don’t need this formatted for Outlook Dave. Thanks for asking though!”

That wastes your own time as well though.

Just get an AI to do it for you

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by jerlam »

chang1 wrote: post #139

I get annoyed when I ask someone a question (work related or not) and they don't know the answer, they will then proceed to tell a prompt for ChatGPT in a stream of consciousness sort of way. Then I get even more annoyed when they decide to actually use their own prompt, and then read back to me the answer. I would much prefer the answer "I don't know".

It seems there are people deeply afraid of admitting they don't know something, despite the fact that not knowing things is the default. But giving the wrong answer is always worse.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by jaredcwhite »

moomoo11 wrote: post #128
phito wrote: post #4

I really wish some of my coworkers would stop using LLMs to write me emails or even Teams messages. It does feel extremely rude, to the point I don't even want to read them anymore.

Why? AI is a tool. Are their messages incorrect or something? If not who cares, they’re being efficient and thus more productive. Please be honest. If it’s slop or they have incorrect information in the message, then my bad, stop reading here. Otherwise… I really hope people like this with holier than thou attitude get filtered out. Fast. People who don’t adapt to use new tools are some of the worst people to work ar…

If it took you no time to write it, I'll spend no time reading it.

The holier than thou people are the ones who are telling us genAI is inevitable, it's here to stay, we should use it as a matter of rote, we'll be left out if we don't, it's going to change everything, blah blah blah. These are articles of faith, and I'm sorry but I'm not a believer in the religion of AI.

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