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Re: Tell HN: Notion Desktop is monitoring your audio and network

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There is no "native" app for Linux.

By your definition, there is no "native" app for any platform. It's all just Electron.

in the context of this discussion, no. regardless of it being electron or not, there is no application that you can run on linux that could potentially abuse your system and leverage your microphone, screen capture, etc.

Re: Tell HN: Notion Desktop is monitoring your audio and network

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Yes, virtually every commercial application I've ever seen allows exfiltration of data, usually close to all of it, and you agree to it by signing both an EULA and privacy policy. Based off of that, I then assume that other companies are exfiltrating as much data as possible off my devices. I mean, even your car, which, keep in mind, is a multi-tens-of-thousands dollar product, exfiltrates your location, all your tex…

Well, I certainly admire the circular reasoning pride movement. I’ll buy a t-shirt if you make one.

Firstly, I don't believe that you require proof to believe the things you do. Yes, I am calling you a liar. You have noticed patterns, and make assumptions every day. Every functional human being does.

I don't need proof that some random man is a mugger to know to put my phone in my pocket and walk quickly at 3 AM. This is what I mean when I say your mentality here is naive - how many times do you need to get mugged to learn?

And, secondly, even if you DO require proof, this is an incredibly inefficient way to live. If you require proof for everything, you wouldn't be able to get much done. You'll be sitting around waiting, or searching. Sometimes, it's faster to assume, if your assumption is good.

Re: Tell HN: Notion Desktop is monitoring your audio and network

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It is not genuine to say that Notion cannot listen in. Notion can listen in. Anytime it wants. Yes on Macs an indicator will be displayed - but not always prominently depending on what other apps/devices are being used (for example using continuity camera) Source: I built the same listening infrastructure into other meeting note taking apps. Our team spoke at length about this security issue with Apple.

I work at Notion. We don't ship code that would let us listen in until users explicitly click start recording. We don't want to, we aren't in the business of selling data and this would be incredibly expensive - and destroy trust. We are cash flow positive so we can sustain our values for the long term. We build useful software and get paid by our users for it. It's pretty simple. Agree that operating systems should…

Side note - why isn't E2E encryption a higher priority for Notion?

If you check Reddit and similar forums, it's been raised so many times by users.

Re: Tell HN: Notion Desktop is monitoring your audio and network

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Anytype ( https://anytype.io ), Appflowy ( https://appflowy.com )

Do you use Anytype productively? I have it installed but I find it kind of daunting compared to Notion for organizing my notes, it seems to want to be a more abstract kind of 'knowledge management system'. I just opened it again and it popped up a 'What's New' with phrases like 'Relations are now properties' and something about 'types', 'templates', 'sets' and 'queries', I really just want to take notes and organize…

Anytype recently made a significant change to the way certain types of information are categorized and related-- which resulted in the "What's New" note you saw. That's just unfortunate timing on your part and was a one-off change that's long been in the works. Not a regular occurrence.

I will say Anytype (and the like) can come off daunting at first, depending on your specific use case. Especially if you're just using it for notes/info/etc, I would recommend not getting too lost in examples and templates. Just make something simple for your purposes using the built-in types. (The "notes" type should suffice for you.)

Then as it evolves over time, you can expand and elaborate as needed. But trying to dive straight into the deep end and create some overarching master system right off the bat will definitely leave you feeling overwhelmed and questioning whether it's worth it.

Re: Tell HN: Notion Desktop is monitoring your audio and network

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Do you use Anytype productively? I have it installed but I find it kind of daunting compared to Notion for organizing my notes, it seems to want to be a more abstract kind of 'knowledge management system'. I just opened it again and it popped up a 'What's New' with phrases like 'Relations are now properties' and something about 'types', 'templates', 'sets' and 'queries', I really just want to take notes and organize…

Anytype recently made a significant change to the way certain types of information are categorized and related-- which resulted in the "What's New" note you saw. That's just unfortunate timing on your part and was a one-off change that's long been in the works. Not a regular occurrence. I will say Anytype (and the like) can come off daunting at first, depending on your specific use case. Especially if you're just usi…

I just gave it a try again, unfortunately I couldn't really figure it out, my issues were these:

The Notion import didn't work correctly, I've got tons of links to 'missing pages' and messed up formatting – fine, this I can live with.

I want to see my hierarchy of pages and jump through them intuitively like I would in Notion, instead on the left sidebar there is something called 'widgets', one of them is called 'Pages'. This does not show all my top level pages, instead it seems to show all pages, regardless of how 'deep down' they are, and it also only shows a maximum of 14, so it's kind of useless for me.

Same with navigating through pages, I want to be able to click through to

  /Projects/Some Project/foo/bar
And then quickly go back to 'Some Project' or 'Projects' again through a breadcrumbs style navigation at the top.

That's how the file system and Notion and most things on my computer work and I like that I don't have to think about it or learn some system to use it, it seems to me that Anytype just fundamentally doesn't work that way, it appears to treat pages (or objects) as nodes in a graph, with links and backlinks, which doesn't really fit with my way of thinking.

Not the software's fault, I'm sure some people like this style of knowledge organization but it's not for me I think.

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