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GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by bad_user »

activedecay wrote: post #167
bad_user wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it shouldn't be compared to Photoshop. But it is compared to Photoshop. However, it is NOT a Photoshop killer. I don't think anybody here was talking about that. I also never argued against Photoshop having some advanced functionality that Gimp lacks or more resources available (it's a defacto standard after all). I don't like it when people are putting words in my mouth.

That last comment wasn't directed at you specifically, just look at how many times the phrase "photoshop killer" is used in the comments on this article. Yeah okay, you never argued against Photoshop having more resources available, but you criticized someone for saying there should be no comparison between GIMP and Photoshop because of "bullshit and lack of substance" while at the same time serving up your own steam…

It was a reaction to the parent claiming that GIMP is a toy. You can say many things about GIMP (unpopular, hard to use, ugly), but I don't think it classifies as a toy no matter the perspective.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by swah »

calinet6 wrote: post #98
cageface wrote: post #94

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Both the Gimp and Photoshop are actually pretty lousy for UI/web development. Fireworks is much better but Adobe seems to be neglecting it. I don't really see much hope for a free alternative to displace PS any time soon but an app that was designed from the ground up to make designing interfaces easier might find a niche.

Honestly, the improvements in HTML5/CSS3 (including font-face) make translating graphical mockups into coded web designs much easier. There's a lot less image slicing and a lot more logical markup. I love Fireworks, but I find myself using it less and less often. Usually I can look at a design straight from a designer who went wild in Photoshop and Illustrator, and make it look extremely close using nothing but HTML…

I wish I could say the same, but every time some site surprises me with its design, I go to inspect it and it has those background patterns, box shadow and sprites pngs sprinkled all over.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by timdiggerm »

_1 wrote: post #169
buu700 wrote: post #102

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So is Gimp, with the release of 2.8 (well, the option's there anyway).

But it's still a document-based application. Those, in general, stay active even if all the documents are closed.

Not in the new Apple way. I believe the idea is that they'll save their state but close.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by 27182818284 »

adamt wrote: post #137
27182818284 wrote: post #91

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I've never met a 9-5 Photoshop user that thinks Gimp is anywhere near the quality of Photoshop. Perhaps more importantly, _none_ seem to think that it will ever, ever, be able to catch up let alone surpass PS.

A few years ago oracle DBAs used to (and some still so) dismiss MySQL and PostgreSQL saying they were toys that didn't scale. 10-15 years ago 'real men used Solaris' and Linux was a toy for hackers. Any time any with any technology those that have mastered the 'premier' product, especially those that are paid because of their knowledge of it, will always think it superior.

That's why the second point is so important. It isn't just Adobe people (the oracle in your comment) or Silicon Valley startups dismissing Gimp, it is the in-the-trenches graphic designers that do their work for $12/hr in a small rural town. That's a huge barrier to overcome. It isn't impossible, but with your other examples progress in numbers was seen all the time with MySQL. Not so much with Gimp, right?

(Also I'm not like all-in for Adobe. I'd love to see something hit the PS market, but I just don't see Gimp being the one to do it. Something like http://www.pixelmator.com/ has a better shot, because they seem to be making good traction in a fraction of the time as Gimp)

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by agscala »

cmelbye wrote: post #37
naz wrote: post #36

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> Also, the app quits when the last window is closed, which isn't how OS X apps are supposed to behave. If anything, they're ahead of the curve. Most Apple apps are beginning to follow this behavior: App Store, Calculator, Contacts, Dictionary, DVD Player, FaceTime, Font Book, Game Center, Garage Band, Image Capture, iPhoto, and so on.

Notice how most (all?) of those are single window applications.

Right, but does opening more than one window for a single application count? Two chrome windows for instance.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by Lockyy »

vacri wrote: post #123
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #106

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It seems to be one of non-Mac users biggest complaints but I love it. I can close my Chrome windows and remove the clutter without having to pay the cost of having it start up again. It's a good-bad habit because then I go to Linux and Ctrl+W all my tabs and then hit Ctrl+T and realize my mistake.

I really don't see much difference in clutter between minimising to the taskbar and having an icon on the dock.

It's odd to hit the x to close and the program actually just minimizing. Odder still was that when I hit minimize, by default, it minimized to a separate icon to the main application. I changed to it minimizing into the dock icon. But the inconsistent behavior of the x button means sometimes it and the _ button (I can't call these close and minimize on this system because that's not what they are anymore) have similar, if not identical, functionality.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by Turing_Machine »

adamt wrote: post #137
27182818284 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never met a 9-5 Photoshop user that thinks Gimp is anywhere near the quality of Photoshop. Perhaps more importantly, _none_ seem to think that it will ever, ever, be able to catch up let alone surpass PS.

A few years ago oracle DBAs used to (and some still so) dismiss MySQL and PostgreSQL saying they were toys that didn't scale. 10-15 years ago 'real men used Solaris' and Linux was a toy for hackers. Any time any with any technology those that have mastered the 'premier' product, especially those that are paid because of their knowledge of it, will always think it superior.

Switching between one version of *SQL and another requires intellectual knowledge, while stuff like Photoshop involves a lot of "muscle memory". Remembering (slight) differences in syntax is a different type of cognitive task than remembering where to click to find everything in a mondo-complex UI like that of Photoshop or The GIMP.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by drivebyacct2 »

vacri wrote: post #123
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to be one of non-Mac users biggest complaints but I love it. I can close my Chrome windows and remove the clutter without having to pay the cost of having it start up again. It's a good-bad habit because then I go to Linux and Ctrl+W all my tabs and then hit Ctrl+T and realize my mistake.

I really don't see much difference in clutter between minimising to the taskbar and having an icon on the dock.

Huh? I don't think you understand what I'm talking about...
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