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Re: Let Kids Be Loud

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Post by loco5niner »

matthewaveryusa wrote: post #139
moron4hire wrote: post #92

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Ice cream trucks are a weaponized guilty trip against parents. The kids whine and complain about wanting ice cream and I'm already having a hard enough time modeling good food habits for them. If it were once a month I wouldn't mind, but it's been every day for the last month. Like, dude, nobody needs ice cream that much. Please stop starting an argument in my house. Incidentally, we just replaced all the windows in…

100% this. I tell the kids it's a trick and they seem to like it and point out when the trick-truck is back. Works great at checkout as well with the trick shelves.

I love this and will be stealing it to use with my kids

Re: Let Kids Be Loud

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Post by taeric »

loco5niner wrote: post #170
taeric wrote: post #169

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What? If you can't tell your kids no without feeling guilty, it actually sounds like you need more places to tell your kids no? If they are whining about it, set the expectation that whining and not accepting a no is, itself, unacceptable? This one is an odd area where I would think budgeting would be a good lesson. Set a budget aside for how much they can spend per day and per month on ice cream. If they have the fu…

Oh man, I've got young kids and there are so many battles. I don't need more battles, please. Especially artificial battles purposefully created by intrusive marketing jerks.

Don't make it a battle, is my point? Give them something they can control, if that helps. But, if they can't take a "no" then that is a problem. And not one to be fixed by just avoiding it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for avoiding unnecessary conflict. And a lot of conflict avoidance with kids is to not let them turn it into a conflict. You said no, you didn't start a fight.

Re: Let Kids Be Loud

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Post by npteljes »

Apreche wrote: post #38

Yes, go ahead. Be loud and play outside. But I’m pretty sure I have misophonia, so just be loud somewhere not near me.

I feel the same and I wish to have your level of eloquence the next time I'm expressing this.

Re: Let Kids Be Loud

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Post by airstrike »

drukenemo wrote: post #154
airstrike wrote: post #34

There's a difference between being loud in public vs privately. As a kid, I was never allowed to be loud in a restaurant, unless it was a restaurant for kids—and even then up to a reasonable limit

That’s a reasonable argument. But in this day and age there are no shades of grey.

The attention economy is killing society. Current social media feed algorithms are incredibly harmful.

This isn't a new topic but ironically it is not given the attention it urgently requires.

Re: Let Kids Be Loud

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Post by dustbunny »

drukenemo wrote: post #152
dustbunny wrote: post #145

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I recommend you not comment on this kids screaming. These parents might be extremely self conscious of their kids screaming. They might have constant anxiety about it. Your "polite" word could hurt far more than you imagine, and I doubt the screaming is something fixable with a little elbow grease from the parents.

Are you serious about this advice? Parents cannot be politely approached by a neighbor, because their kids, who they chose to have, are disturbing others regularly?

Yeah I'm serious. I tread carefully giving parenting advice to even my best friends. It's a hugely sensitive topic.

Re: Let Kids Be Loud

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Post by johnfn »

ysavir wrote: post #164
johnfn wrote: post #147

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That's fair enough. But don't you think carpentry could be considered a loud profession, like the other ones you listed? I imagine carpenters as banging nails with hammers all day. :P

Hammering can get loud. But not louder than any motorized tool. And hammering being limited by the energy capacity of flesh and blood doesn't last for long bursts, maybe a few minutes at a time. In contrast, motorized tools let out an egregious, sharp hum that can last for an hour or two without pause. Both might draw someone's attention and frustration, but when comparing them objectively, one is clearly worse than…

I believe you that it was unintentional (and I'm sorry for implying that it was!), but I still think the carpenter was upset because you implicated him. Just to prove I'm not crazy here, I asked GPT as a neutral third party, which agrees:

https://chatgpt.com/share/686ff4e8-b7f0-800c-9bbf-bdc1e59500...

Re: Let Kids Be Loud

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Post by klank »

junga wrote: post #161
klank wrote: post #48

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Anecdotally, children making "children noises" is calming for me. It was not until after I was a parent myself though. Like many things in life, once I had the connection in my own personal life, it is now very easy and automatic for me to empathize and support other children. It feels deep, like more an automatic response.

Can't exactly remember how I reacted to children noises before I had kids myself. But I must admit that nowadays noise from other kids makes me smile because 'not my problem'.

Hehe, excellent point. Parenthood helped teach me the pleasure of the absence of stress.

Re: Let Kids Be Loud

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Post by xigoi »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #129
hombre_fatal wrote: post #118

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Blasting sound out of your vehicle into a residential area for hours just because you want to sell something is selfish. So is defending the behavior and imposing it on everyone around you just because it's sometimes convenient for you to walk 10 meters for some ice cream once a month. Like TFA says, we have to decide as a society what kind of noise we think is worthwhile. The sound of kids playing seems essential fo…

You are focusing on the driver, but what about the patrons. Is one selfish person listening to sound for a minute enough to to prevent 10 kids from being happy? 100? 1000?

Would the kids not be happy if the truck was not constantly playing music?

Re: Let Kids Be Loud

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Post by tstrimple »

taeric wrote: post #169
moron4hire wrote: post #92

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Ice cream trucks are a weaponized guilty trip against parents. The kids whine and complain about wanting ice cream and I'm already having a hard enough time modeling good food habits for them. If it were once a month I wouldn't mind, but it's been every day for the last month. Like, dude, nobody needs ice cream that much. Please stop starting an argument in my house. Incidentally, we just replaced all the windows in…

What? If you can't tell your kids no without feeling guilty, it actually sounds like you need more places to tell your kids no? If they are whining about it, set the expectation that whining and not accepting a no is, itself, unacceptable? This one is an odd area where I would think budgeting would be a good lesson. Set a budget aside for how much they can spend per day and per month on ice cream. If they have the fu…

There are a huge number of parents who just don't want to parent their children at all. You see it on HN constantly. "We have to ban cell phones for all kids because I don't want to tell little Johnny he can't have one when his friends all do! That's hard!"

Re: Let Kids Be Loud

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Post by tstrimple »

schwartzworld wrote: post #163
southernplaces7 wrote: post #157

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Or these parents could, you know, learn to create limits and rules for their kids and teach them to respect those, instead of blaming the ice cream truck that spends a few minutes outside at a good time for sales because the parents can't get a grip on something so minor. That guy is trying to make a living, and the inconvenience is tiny for any one area where he spends barely any time. A lot of the so-called Karen c…

Spoken like someone who either doesn’t have kids, or at least has easier ones than mine. You think you’re just going to explain to a four year old the rules about ice cream and they’ll just be like “you’re right daddy. I forgot we had ice cream from the truck yesterday. I’ll grab some carrot sticks instead”? It’s not really ethical to market that aggressively to kids, because kids just want. All the time they want. M…

> You think you’re just going to explain to a four year old the rules about ice cream and they’ll just be like “you’re right daddy. I forgot we had ice cream from the truck yesterday. I’ll grab some carrot sticks instead”?

If provided with consistency, yes that's exactly what happens. I've raised three kids who have not had repeated meltdowns over hearing an ice cream truck.

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