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IKEA ditches Zigbee for Thread going all in on Matter smart homes

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Re: IKEA ditches Zigbee for Thread going all in on Matter smart homes

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Post by JoshTriplett »

Marsymars wrote: post #165
JoshTriplett wrote: post #103

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That's exactly the reason I'm hesitant to dive into Home Assistant myself. I want my smart-home devices to Just Work. I want them to be appliances .

The problem I’ve run into is that once you’re running a lot of devices, you inevitably end up with a bunch of automations and logic that can’t really be simplified. With Apple Home/HomeKit, everything Just Works, but having dozens of automation rules and scenes configured in Apple’s low—information-density UI is worse than managing yaml config.

I don't mind the idea of writing configuration. I mind the idea of things breaking mysteriously, or on upgrade.

Re: IKEA ditches Zigbee for Thread going all in on Matter smart homes

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Post by distances »

Cu3PO42 wrote: post #126
JoshTriplett wrote: post #103

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That's exactly the reason I'm hesitant to dive into Home Assistant myself. I want my smart-home devices to Just Work. I want them to be appliances .

For what it's worth, mine do. Nothing in my HA has ever broken after an update or randomly for some other reason.

I just lived half a year without Philips Hue remote control because it stopped working during an update and I couldn't bother to check why. It was some name change somewhere, might have been an issue with how I set it up, can't even remember. Simple fix but I did have to dive back to the config files.

Re: IKEA ditches Zigbee for Thread going all in on Matter smart homes

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Post by lotsofpulp »

bluGill wrote: post #151
lotsofpulp wrote: post #141

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If you toggle or otherwise manually manipulate a light switch, surely it is physically disconnecting the circuits? I don't see how that mechanism could ever not work, absent mechanical issues.

A smart switch cannot be a toggle. It needs a relay of some sort so that it can be controlled by software. There is a switch you control, then something, then the relay. That something needs to work.

Oh, I see. Thanks!

Re: IKEA ditches Zigbee for Thread going all in on Matter smart homes

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Post by Marsymars »

snickerdoodle12 wrote: post #60

RIP. The ikea zigbee stuff was close to being best in class. Matter is still an unusable mess.

I have stuff that didn’t support Matter on launch, that I updated to Matter, and it seems exactly the same in practice.

Re: IKEA ditches Zigbee for Thread going all in on Matter smart homes

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

delusional wrote: post #122
turtlebits wrote: post #112

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Home Assistant "just works". Yes it has a ton of knobs, but in the 3 years I've been running it, it's had no issues. Certain manufacturer devices being flaky, yes, but as a platform, it's been rock solid. I've not touched its config in over a year and everything works as it should.

> Certain manufacturer devices being flaky, yes, but as a platform This makes me a little weary of your comment. I don't think I'd really care if my lights not working was due to a "manufacturer being flaky" if they worked yesterday, but don't today. Are you talking about devices being flaky on first setup (which sucks, but is understandable), or are you talking about them being flaky after an update?

It's the devices that is flaky. Some of the shitty bulbs I got don't always turn on in one command but that was true via their own app too. Basically shitty devices aren't magically better via home assistant.

Re: IKEA ditches Zigbee for Thread going all in on Matter smart homes

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arghwhat wrote: post #158
devnullbrain wrote: post #90

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>the ability to commission a finished product into a Matter network in the field mandates certification and membership fees,[15][16] entailing both one-time, recurring, and per-product costs.[17] This is enforced using a public key infrastructure (PKI) and so-called device attestation certificates.[15] Thank you for the clarification?

To be clear, this is the same organization that developed Zigbee, which requires paid certification - without, you're not allowed to say the product supports Zigbee or to use the Zigbee logo. You can connect devices without this, it just shows a warning during commissioning that the device is not certified. No impact whatsoever.

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Re: IKEA ditches Zigbee for Thread going all in on Matter smart homes

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Post by mardifoufs »

snickerdoodle12 wrote: post #117
olalonde wrote: post #101

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Yes. https://developers.home.google.com/codelabs/matter-device

Can I sell it without paying a gazillion fees? Spoiler alert: No. There's a whole bunch of bullshit: https://developers.home.google.com/matter/integration/pair#p... You can sort of run your own device if you're fine with giving google far too much information and they can block you at any time. Face it, bigtech has a hardon for closed ecosystems. If they could they'd make it so every computer that wants to send an et…

Isn't that true for ZigBee too? Can you sell ZigBee devices (and market them as such) without paying fees?

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Post by jekwoooooe »

3nwf248 wrote: post #40
0x000xca0xfe wrote: post #30

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And manufacturers tend to lock down their Matter devices, too, so you can't flash Tasmota or ESPHome on them. See: Shelly, Sonoff.

Not just tend to, have to. Matter certification requires flash encryption and FW signing.

You say that as if that’s a bad thing. I would love to have more iot security

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Post by luckydata »

tommysve wrote: post #73
WhyNotHugo wrote: post #21

This sucks. Matter is a closed ecosystem, enforced using a public key infrastructure (PKI) and device attestation certificates. Thread seems to require paying royalties if you want to ship devices. It’s disappointing that IKEA claims that this move is towards a more open ecosystem. On top of that, the switch breaks compatibility with existing hardware (except for the Touchlink functionality). If you have a bunch of Z…

What a shit load of disinformation you are spreading. Read up on Matter and Thread, please.

I don't know why you're downvoted, it's the same reaction I had tbh.

Re: IKEA ditches Zigbee for Thread going all in on Matter smart homes

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Post by luckydata »

bevr1337 wrote: post #127
alsko wrote: post #16

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Matter was created by the Connectivity Standards Alliance (CSA), formerly known as the Zigbee Alliance! Basically, Matter is the next generation Zigbee. Thread as a protocol predates Matter, and it is just one of the supported transports, together with Wifi and Ethernet (for now). Edit: One thing Matter adds that was not in Zigbee is Bluetooth provisioning, letting you use your phone to add a device to your network w…

> Edit: One thing Matter adds that was not in Zigbee is Bluetooth provisioning, letting you use your phone to add a device to your network without QR codes or numbers to type in. What follows are my two pennies as a developer working in home automation for 7 years. In this venue, readers may even have more knowledge regarding security, but I hope to speak to a common case. I develop this exact feature though not for…

while your example is correct, I have many many examples in my experience why scanning a qr code is simply infeasible in some situations and as a owner of a heavily automated home I welcome the development with open arms.
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