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The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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Re: The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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Post by relaxing »

famouswaffles wrote: post #141
danaris wrote: post #119

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I've seen this bad take over and over again in the last few years, as a response to the public reaction to cryptocurrency, NFTs, and now generative AI. It's bullshit. I mean, sure: there were people who hated the Internet. There still are! They were very clearly a minority, and almost exclusively older people who didn't like change. Most of them were also unhappy about personal computers in general. But the Internet…

>But the Internet caught on very fast, and was very, very popular. It was completely obvious how positive it was, >By contrast, generative AI, while it has a contingent of supporters that range from reasonable to rabid, is broadly disliked by the public. It is absolutely wild how people can just ignore something staring right at them, plain as day. ChatGPT.com is the 5 most visited site on the planet and growing. It'…

US public opinion is negative on AI. It’s also negative on Google and Meta (the rest of the top 5.)

No condescension necessary.

Re: The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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Post by t0bia_s »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #108
brookst wrote: post #102

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It’s not spot on. Buying and using all of these products is a choice. The last is especially egregious. I don’t want poorly-written (by my standards) books cluttering up bookstores, but all my life I’ve walked into bookstores and found my favorite genres have lots of books I’m not interested in. Do I have some kind of right to have stores only stock products that I want? The whole thing is just so damn entitled . If…

I actually use the AI books that litter kindle unlimited to teach my daughter how to differentiate and be more sophisticated. I think a feature of all this is it inculcates a lot of people to AI spew. If it were isolated to the elite and the unscrupulous alone people would be a lot more vulnerable. By saturating the world with it, people get a true choice by being able to recognize it when they see it and avoid the o…

- Summaries help dyslexics get through otherwise intractable walls of text.

Politicians often use AI to summarise proposals and amendments to the laws. And later vote based on those summaries. It's incredible how artifical bureaucracy is driven by artifical intelligence. And how citizens don't care to follow artificial laws that ruins humanity.

Re: The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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Post by linsomniac »

My fintech bank, Qube, is running some sort of croudfunded investment round to add AI. It's super interesting to me in a number of ways. https://www.startengine.com/offering/qube-money

The top of the list has got to be that one of their testimonials presented to investors is from "DrDeflowerMe". It's also interesting to me because they list financials which position them as unbelievably tiny: 6,215 subscribing accounts, 400 average new accounts per month, which to me sounds like they have a lot of churn.

I'm in my third year of subscribing and I'm actively looking for a replacement. This "Start Engine" investment makes me even more confident that's the right decision. Over the years I've paid nearly $200/year for this and watched them fail to deliver basic functionality. They just don't have the team to deliver AI tooling. For example: 2 years ago I spoke with support about the screen that shows you your credit card numbers being nearly unreadable (very light grey numbers on a white background), which still isn't fixed. Around a year ago a bunch of my auto transfers disappeared, causing me hundreds of dollars in late fees. I contacted support and they eventually "recovered" all the missing auto-transfers, but it ended up with some of them doubled up, and support stopped responding when I asked them to fix that.

I question if they'll be able to implement the changes they want, let alone be able to support those features if they do.

Re: The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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Post by mpalmer »

zero_shift wrote: post #172
mpalmer wrote: post #169

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Xss3 is paraphrasing. As CuriouslyC wrote: > "I am a huge AI supporter, and use it extensively for [...] most of my decision making processes"

It's not a paraphrase, it's a misreading.

How do you get outsourcing from this? Maybe they're using it to organize their thoughts, explore alternatives. Nowhere do they say they're not still making the decisions themselves.

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Post by AstroBen »

rincebrain wrote: post #140
AstroBen wrote: post #132

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If these things are genuinely so universally hated won't they just be.. capitalism'd out of existence? People will stop engaging with them and better products will win What book store will stock AI slop that no-one wants to buy?

Part of the problem is that some of these services have enormous upfront costs to work at all. It's fun to say "let's go write a complete replacement for Microsoft Office" or the Adobe suite or what have you, but that has a truly astonishing upfront cost to get to a point where it's even servicing 50% of the use cases, let alone 95 or 99%. Or there's other examples where it's not obvious there's sufficient interest t…

What would happen if Microsoft Office started to charge $250/mo tomorrow?

My guess is you'd very quickly get a bunch of teams scrambling to produce something to compete and capture a huge market by charging a tenth the price. Funding is taken care of when winning there is worth so much

Maybe it won't happen overnight because they're huge software suites.. but it will happen. We need regulations to take care of anti-competitive practices - but after that the market seems to work pretty well for keeping companies in check

Re: The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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Post by Xss3 »

mpalmer wrote: post #175
zero_shift wrote: post #172

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Xss3 is paraphrasing. As CuriouslyC wrote: > "I am a huge AI supporter, and use it extensively for [...] most of my decision making processes"

It's not a paraphrase, it's a misreading. How do you get outsourcing from this? Maybe they're using it to organize their thoughts, explore alternatives. Nowhere do they say they're not still making the decisions themselves.

Nowhere did i say that either. You are misreading.

I said decision making process, as did they.

Nobody said that they are letting the AI make the decisions.

Re: The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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Post by mpalmer »

Xss3 wrote: post #178
mpalmer wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a paraphrase, it's a misreading. How do you get outsourcing from this? Maybe they're using it to organize their thoughts, explore alternatives. Nowhere do they say they're not still making the decisions themselves.

Nowhere did i say that either. You are misreading. I said decision making process, as did they. Nobody said that they are letting the AI make the decisions.

"outsource"
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