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Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

ionwake wrote: post #10

I don’t want to jump on nvidia but I found it super weird when they clearly remote controlled a Disney bot onto the stage and claimed it was all using real time AI which was clearly impossible due to no latency and weirdly the bot verifying correct stage position in relation to the presenter. It was obviously the Disney bot just being controlled by someone off stage. I found it super alarming because why would they f…

> I don’t want to jump on nvidia but I found it super weird when they clearly remote controlled a Disney bot onto the stage and claimed it was all using real time AI which was clearly impossible due to no latency and weirdly the bot verifying correct stage position in relation to the presenter. It was obviously the Disney bot just being controlled by someone off stage.

I don't know what you're referring to, but I'd just say that I don't believe what you are describing could have possibly happened.

Nvidia is a huge corporation, with more than a few lawyers on staff and on retainer, and what you are describing is criminal fraud that any plaintiff's lawyer would have a field day with. So, given that, and since I don't think people who work at Nvidia are complete idiots, I think whatever you are describing didn't happen the way you are describing it. Now, it's certainly possible there was some small print disclaimer, or there was some "weasel wording" that described something with ambiguity, but when you accuse someone of criminal fraud you want to have more than "hey this is just my opinion" to back it up.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by selectodude »

nicce wrote: post #132
davidee wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not personally offended, but when a company makes a big stink around several gross exaggerations (performance, price, availability) it's not hard to understand why folks are kicking up their own stink. Nvidia could have said "we're prioritizing enterprise" but instead they put on a big horse and pony show about their consumer GPUs. I really like the Gamer's Nexus paper launch shirt. ;)

They could rapidly build new own factories but they don’t.

Somebody should let Intel know.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by MangoToupe »

neuroelectron wrote: post #42

Seems a bit calculated and agreed across the industry. What can really make sense of Microsoft's acquisitions and ruining of billion dollar IPs? It's a manufactured collapse of the gaming industry. They want to centralize control of the market and make it a service based (rent seeking) sector. I'm not saying they all got together and decided this together but their wonks are probably all saying the same thing. The ma…

> It's a manufactured collapse of the gaming industry. They want to centralize control of the market and make it a service based (rent seeking) sector.

It also won’t work, and Microsoft has developed no way to compete on actual value. As much as I hate the acquisitions they’ve made, even if Microsoft as a whole were to croak tomorrow I think the game industry would be fine.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by Dylan16807 »

> The competing open standard is FreeSync, spearheaded by AMD. Since 2019, NVIDIA also supports FreeSync, but under their “G-Sync Compatible” branding. Personally, I wouldn’t bother with G-Sync when a competing, open standard exists and differences are negligible[4].

Open is good, but the open standard itself is not enough. You need some kind of testing/certification, which is built in to the G-Sync process. AMD does have a FreeSync certification program now which is good.

If you rely on just the standard, some manufacturers get really lazy. One of my screens technically supports FreeSync but I turned it off day one because it has a narrow range and flickers very badly.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by __turbobrew__ »

bob1029 wrote: post #89
__turbobrew__ wrote: post #49

> With over 90% of the PC market running on NVIDIA tech, they’re the clear winner of the GPU race. The losers are every single one of us. I have been rocking AMD GPU ever since the drivers were upstreamed into the linux kernel. No regrets. I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. But consumer gotta consoooooo…

> I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games My favorite part about being a reformed gaming addict is the fact that my MacBook now covers ~100% of my computer use cases. The desktop is nice for Visual Studio but that's about it. I'm still running a 5700XT in my desktop. I have absolutely zero desire to upgrade.

Im a reformed gaming addict as well and mostly play games over 10 years old, and am happy to keep doing that.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by newsclues »

alganet wrote: post #92
rightbyte wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how GPU factories could be running in the event of war "in such a scale to drive silicon prices up". Unless you mean that supply will be low and people scavanging TI calculators for processors to make boxes playing Tetris and Space Invaders.

Why not? This is the exact model in which WWII operated. Car and plane supply chains were practically nationalized to support the military industry. If drones, surveillance, satellites become the main war tech, they'll all use silicon, and things will be fully nationalized. We already have all sorts of hints of this. Doesn't need a genius to predict that it could be what happens to these industries. The balance with…

CPU and GPU compute will be needed for military use processing the vast data from all sorts of sensors. Think about data centres crunching satellite imagery for trenches, fortifications and vehicles.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by trynumber9 »

jdprgm wrote: post #62

The 4090 was released coming up on 3 years and is currently going for about 25% over launch msrp USED. Buying gpu's is literally an appreciating asset. It is complete insanity and an infuriating situation for an average consumer. I honestly don't know why nvidia didn't just suspend their consumer line entirely. It's clearly no longer a significant revenue source and they have thoroughly destroyed consumer goodwill ov…

>I honestly don't know why nvidia didn't just suspend their consumer line entirely.

It's ~$12 billion a year with a high gross margin by the standards of every other hardware company. They want to make sure neither AMD nor Intel get that revenue they can invest into funding their own AI/ML efforts.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by beefnugs »

neuroelectron wrote: post #42

Seems a bit calculated and agreed across the industry. What can really make sense of Microsoft's acquisitions and ruining of billion dollar IPs? It's a manufactured collapse of the gaming industry. They want to centralize control of the market and make it a service based (rent seeking) sector. I'm not saying they all got together and decided this together but their wonks are probably all saying the same thing. The ma…

This post is crazy nonsense: Bad games companies have always existed, and the solution is easy: dont buy their trash. I buy mostly smaller indie games these days just fine.

nvidia isn't purposely killing anything, they are just following the pivot into the AI nonsense. They have no choice, if they are in a unique position to make 10x by a pivot they will, even if it might be a dumpsterfire of a house of cards. Its immoral to just abandon the industry that created you, but companies have always been immoral.

Valve has an opportunity to what? Take over video card hardware market? No. AMD and Intel are already competitors in the market and cant get any foothold (until hopefully now consumers will have no choice but to shift to them)

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by trynumber9 »

Jabrov wrote: post #50
porphyra wrote: post #41

The article complains about issues with consumer GPUs but those are nowadays relegated to being merely a side hobby project of Nvidia, whose core business is enterprise AI chips. Anyway Nvidia still has no significant competition from AMD on either front so they are still getting away with this. Deceptive marketing aside, it's true that it's sad that we can't get 4K 60 Hz with ray tracing with current hardware withou…

I get ray tracing at 4K 60Hz with my 4090 just fine

Really? I can't even play Minecraft (DXR: ON) at 4K 60Hz on a RTX 5090...

Maybe another regression in Blackwell.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by MindSpunk »

ryao wrote: post #11
ohdeargodno wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nitpicking it doesn't change the fact that the 12v2x6 connector _also_ burns down.

The guy accuses Nvidia of not doing anything about that problem, but ignored that they did with the 12V-2x6 connector, which as far as I can tell, has had far fewer issues.

The 50 series connectors burned up too. The issue was not fixed.
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