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US embassy wants 'every social media username of past five years' for new visas

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Re: US embassy wants 'every social media username of past five years' for new visas

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Post by potato3732842 »

ujkhsjkdhf234 wrote: post #169
potato3732842 wrote: post #167

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>I'm pointing out that the people who are largely anti-immigration are the ones perpetuating the problem You need to separate the politicians from the people. There is always someone willing to say anything to get elected. Of course they never really solve the issues, so long as not solving the issue harms their chances of reelection less than solving it does. The root cause is the hordes of people who are unable to…

> You need to separate the politicians from the people. There is always someone willing to say anything to get elected. Of course they never really solve the issues, so long as not solving the issue harms their chances of reelection less than solving it does. This is the fault of the people putting them in those positions and what I mean by getting distracted by false narratives. If you keep voting for the people who…

>I would love to know your state because I can promise your social programs are not degrading because of immigrants and are degrading because of tax cuts to the rich.

Run the numbers on the five bluest states. No matter what definition of "bluest" you use you'll get mine in there somewhere.

You'll never see the issue unless you actually look at nation of origin stats, which are not collected by much of anybody. These people have all been issued state IDs and are state residents as far as the state government cares. But ask any social worker, any administrator, and they will tell you that the demographics being served have changed hugely over the years.

I have people that work for these agencies in my household. I'm not shooting from the hip here.

Re: US embassy wants 'every social media username of past five years' for new visas

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Post by roxolotl »

msgodel wrote: post #164
roxolotl wrote: post #162

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Why does race matter at all? Why would you become a minority? We’re defining minority here as racial and that’s totally arbitrary. It’s so arbitrary that if you look at the early 1900s you’ll see that Italians and Irish weren’t considered white and would be considered a minority. Cultural differences are already massive across the US even amongst long time Americans. If you meet 10th generation Americans in New Engla…

Why does anything matter if you can just define it to not be a problem?

If you cannot provide evidence which cannot be defined away then yes it’s not a problem. That is generally how problems work.

Re: US embassy wants 'every social media username of past five years' for new visas

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Post by msgodel »

roxolotl wrote: post #172
msgodel wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does anything matter if you can just define it to not be a problem?

If you cannot provide evidence which cannot be defined away then yes it’s not a problem. That is generally how problems work.

I can simply define racism to not be a problem and ignore you then.

Re: US embassy wants 'every social media username of past five years' for new visas

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Post by ujkhsjkdhf234 »

potato3732842 wrote: post #171
ujkhsjkdhf234 wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You need to separate the politicians from the people. There is always someone willing to say anything to get elected. Of course they never really solve the issues, so long as not solving the issue harms their chances of reelection less than solving it does. This is the fault of the people putting them in those positions and what I mean by getting distracted by false narratives. If you keep voting for the people who…

>I would love to know your state because I can promise your social programs are not degrading because of immigrants and are degrading because of tax cuts to the rich. Run the numbers on the five bluest states. No matter what definition of "bluest" you use you'll get mine in there somewhere. You'll never see the issue unless you actually look at nation of origin stats, which are not collected by much of anybody. These…

I also know people who work in these agencies. I'm not saying these people don't exist. I'm saying these people aren't a "drain" as you put it. They pax taxes towards these programs and pay social security that they can't claim. The problem is happening at a different part of the funnel.

Re: US embassy wants 'every social media username of past five years' for new visas

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #67
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #21

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Play the devil's advocate with me for a bit. Say you let someone in who suicide bombs himself and takes out several Americans. Then a reporter asks the DHS spokesperson how they let someone in the country that had "Death to America" posts all over their social media out in the open for everyone to see but they didn't. Nobody would forgive the government for such a grave oversight. At the airport you already let them…

How many of those are there really? How much are you willing to sacrifice to prevent this hypothetical? Because there is no end to this sort of argument. Why should it stop with foreigners, wouldn't a suicide bomb by a local cause just as much damage? "We have to monitor every web page and every email, text, and word spoken of every person at all times to 'prevent a tragedy'" You want to prevent a tragedy don't you?…

>How much are you willing to sacrifice to prevent this hypothetical?

Citizens don't sacrifice anything. The rules applies to those who request visas.

Everything else you wrote after that is so much more delulu, it's not even worth addressing.

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Post by pera »

msgodel wrote: post #155
text0404 wrote: post #149

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This person believes in the (white) replacement conspiracy theory and is trying to articulate its tenets without referencing or naming it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement_conspiracy_t...

I'm fine with naming it although I think there are legitimate practical problems beyond just that. Why is it wrong to not want to be made a minority in your own country? Most of the time when that's been done to other people it's been strongly condemned for good reasons. Why when it's done to some of the most productive (and I would argue just) people in history is it considered a good thing? Why is it surprising tha…

I have to admit I am quite intrigued by your ideology and feelings: it seems that you are acknowledging to hold racist beliefs but at the same time it bothers you to be called racist? May I ask why?

Re: US embassy wants 'every social media username of past five years' for new visas

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Post by msgodel »

pera wrote: post #176
msgodel wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm fine with naming it although I think there are legitimate practical problems beyond just that. Why is it wrong to not want to be made a minority in your own country? Most of the time when that's been done to other people it's been strongly condemned for good reasons. Why when it's done to some of the most productive (and I would argue just) people in history is it considered a good thing? Why is it surprising tha…

I have to admit I am quite intrigued by your ideology and feelings: it seems that you are acknowledging to hold racist beliefs but at the same time it bothers you to be called racist? May I ask why?

When did I say I'm bothered by being called racist? That sounds like an assumption you've made.

The reality is that I get called racist regardless of what I do so I've accepted it.

Re: US embassy wants 'every social media username of past five years' for new visas

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Post by ryandrake »

ethbr1 wrote: post #140
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #120

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I’d guess this administration draws its power from voters who don’t have a passport and power brokers whose staff handle visas. (Or at least it operates as if it believes it does.)

That any US citizen doesn't have a passport is mind blowing, sad, and also indicative. $18/yr for access to most of the world. Yet people say "No thanks. I'm sure the US is great."

Fewer than half of Americans have passports. Many have probably never left their home state, and there are probably a significant number who have never left a 100 mile radius around their homes.

People who regularly travel internationally are not a large or powerful voter base. They can be shit on without hurting a politician's career.

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Post by zeven7 »

gwd wrote: post #13

Haven't these guys heard of the "reciprocity principle"? When I went to Brazil a few years ago, the basic price for a tourist visa was like $25 and could be done online. But, if you were a US citizen, it cost $150 and you had to schedule an attend an interview in person -- because , those were the costs and burdens placed on Brazilian citizens to apply for a US visa. Does the US want other countries inspecting our ci…

They don't want people in the US to travel outside the US so they probably see it as a positive if other countries put up more deterrents.
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