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Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by Quarrelsome »

ryandrake wrote: post #152
zombiwoof wrote: post #113

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Let's not overlook that Israel has bought all previous US presidents back to its founding, and more than enough Congresscritters. We have been treating Israel as if it were the 51st state, including unconditionally funding and defending it.

I think we can point to Trump as a particular outlier, who in his first term green lit the capital move from Tel Aviv to Jeruselum, burning considerable political captial among Israel's detractors, in exchange for..... absolutely nothing (seemingly). As well as his general rhetoric (like his comments on Gaza) being considerably out of keeping with most of the Presidents before him.

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by cyberax »

SllX wrote: post #132
369548684892826 wrote: post #118

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Why not? Someone has to do it.

We have the Uniform Code of Military Justice for military personnel, and on paper, a Congress to hold the President accountable, although that obviously needs to be beefed up because the results lately have been unsatisfactory. It does not need to be the ICC, nor should we allow it.

And then we have presidents that almost uniformly pardon people convicted of the grossest war crimes.

Trump pardoned Clint Lorance who ordered murder of civilians. Before that, William Calley convicted of multiple murders had his sentence commuted by Nixon to 3 years of house arrest.

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by adamnemecek »

bee_rider wrote: post #168
Atlas667 wrote: post #109

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Was Epstein particularly connected to Israel? I mean, Israel already has very strong lobbying in the US. What would they have needed the weirdo for?

There is absolutely no way he was not. There is a direct connection between Maxwell and Israel, her father was very involved with formation of the country.

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by vidarh »

ptero wrote: post #151
vidarh wrote: post #123

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If they're planning to do something that might get them indicted for crimes against humanity, then they are not reasonable candidates.

Unfortunately, there are enough courts that are very willing to slap any label on any suitably vilified candidate. Pick any president of India; you can probably find a Pakistani court would be willing to convict for "crimes against humanity". And vice versa. Or pick some Iraq-Iran pairings. Or Armenian- Azerbaijani, etc. Allowing external courts to judge presidents is a bad idea. It is a slippery slope even for cases…

We're talking about any random court, however, but the ICC.

It does not have a history of "slapping any label on any suitably vilified candidate".

Put another way: The US has a history of deciding it is allowed to start actual wars to overthrow the kind of people committing the kind of crimes that gets you targeted by the ICJ.

The US just wants its own people to not be subjected to what it has a long history of imposing on others.

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by Muromec »

SllX wrote: post #107
jeremyjh wrote: post #98

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That sounds...appropriate? I would have no issues with every living former US President being accountable for their crimes, and I expect they would all be convicted.

It’s not appropriate for an international court that we’re not even a part of to put our Presidents and their subordinates on trial, nor is it something we should meekly concede to.

Yes it is. FAFO

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by Quarrelsome »

bee_rider wrote: post #168
Atlas667 wrote: post #109

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Was Epstein particularly connected to Israel? I mean, Israel already has very strong lobbying in the US. What would they have needed the weirdo for?

some people suggest he was working for Mossad creating a web of blackmail for them to exploit, in order to further strengthen the lobbying, as well as spread out into other industries and nations. You can see there are claims even on his wiki page about the links.

> White House official" reported that Alexander Acosta, the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida who had handled Epstein's criminal case in 2008, had stated to interviewers of President Donald Trump's first transition team: "I was told Epstein 'belonged to intelligence' and to 'leave it alone'", and that Epstein was "above his pay grade"[0][1]

[0] https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epsteins-sick-story-pl...

[1] https://observer.com/2019/07/jeffrey-epstein-spy-intelligenc...

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by layer8 »

JimBlackwood wrote: post #127
revnode wrote: post #96

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How is it a threat to American sovereignty? It has no jurisdiction in America, only within nations that are party to the treaty - which is their sovereign right? Is a foreign nation convicting an American tourist for crimes in said nation also a threat to American sovereignty?

It has juridiction when referred to by the UN Security Council, and possibly other cases: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome_Statute#Jurisdiction,_str...

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by jeremyjh »

SllX wrote: post #170
jeremyjh wrote: post #159

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What does that have to do with what is appropriate?

I thought I was clear on this, but I guess not: it was entirely appropriate. They lost so thoroughly and the Holocaust was so repulsive that it was arguably necessary . Germany itself was also in such a precarious position that the continued existence of the German State was in jeopardy, and probably the only way it could continue to exist in any form even after being divided was to go through the Nuremberg Trials fi…

Those are reasons it was feasible. It was appropriate for moral reasons, and the same is true of US leaders.

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by Quarrelsome »

SllX wrote: post #107
jeremyjh wrote: post #98

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That sounds...appropriate? I would have no issues with every living former US President being accountable for their crimes, and I expect they would all be convicted.

It’s not appropriate for an international court that we’re not even a part of to put our Presidents and their subordinates on trial, nor is it something we should meekly concede to.

given a future where the US slides into despotism, who would hold it to account and be a champion for its people?

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by jeremyjh »

SllX wrote: post #144
soulofmischief wrote: post #126

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We decided to not be a part of it. Meanwhile, we systematically bully other nations and kill high ranking officials with impunity. We can't have our cake and eat it too.

Put another way, we defend American interests.

We defend some of America's interests, and harm some of its other interests. Mostly we defend the interests of the richest people in America and its military industrial complex.
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