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Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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I've yet to find any rights and protections in these cookie banners.

cookie banners are malicious compliance while we head towards the death of cross-site cookies, they are indeed a poor implementation but the legislation that lead to them did not come up with it did you really prefer when companies were selling your data to third parties and didn't have to ask you?

Do you really think clicking "Reject non-essential cookies" does something?

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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edit: the parent has since edited out the flamebait. Maybe, or maybe when silicon valley was busy growing exponentially Europe was still picking itself up from the mess of ww2. Trying to blame a single reason is futile, naive and childish.

And what's the excuse for Euro's GDP being equal to the US in 2007, and now being over $10T less?

In general, the same. In particular, different.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Part of the answer is debt. The U.S. has a debt of 35Tn. The entire EU around 16Tn. If even 10% of the debt difference was invested in tech that would have meant about $2tn more in investment in EU tech.

Because Europeans don't take smart risks. Because they over regulate. It's fascinating watching people circle back to this answer. Regulation and taxation reduces incentives. Lower incentives, means lower risk-taking. The fact this is still a lesson that needs to be debated is absurd.

Europeans also mostly don’t suffer from school shootings and generally don’t go bankrupt when they get cancer or just take an ambulance ride to a non-network hospital. Regulation is not all bad, besides the US has more of it than anybody else.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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We've had multiple USB standards for decades with no end in sight. Apple was targeted because they have the most high-profile proprietary connector and they were generally using it to screw consumers. Good riddance.

Like I said, if consumers don't want it, then they can buy Android phones instead. > they were generally using it to screw consumers You understand that there were lots of people happy with Lightning? USB-C is a regression in many ways.

I want to have USB-C and I want to have iPhone.

I’m very happy EU regulators took this headache off my shoulders and I don’t need to keep multiple chargers at home, and can be almost certain I can find a charger in restaurant if I need it.

Based on the reaction of my friends 90% of people supported this change and were very enthusiastic about it.

I have zero interest in being part of vendor game to lock me in.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Not sure why I am being downvoted. I am simply saying that we know there is a defined algorithm for solving Tower of Hanoi, and the source code for it is widely available. So, o3 producing the code as an answer, demonstrates even less intelligence, as it means it is either memorized or copied from the internet. I don't see how this point counters the paper at all. I believe what they are trying to show in that paper,…

I didn't downvote. T the problem with the paper is that it asks the model to output all moves for, say, 15 disks 2 ^ 15 - 1 = 32767 32767 moves in a single prompt. That's not testing reasoning. That’s testing whether the model can emit a huge structured output without error, under a context window limit. The authors then treat failure to reproduce this entire sequence as evidence that the model can't reason. But that…

> That’s testing whether the model can emit a huge structured output without error, under a context window limit.

Agreed. But to be fair, 1) a relatively simple algorithm can do it, and more importantly 2) a lot of people are trying to build products around doing exactly this (emit large structured output without error).

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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For the purposes of GP's comment, I think the nationalities of the people actually running the company and doing the work are more relevant than who has invested.

And, perhaps most relevantly, the regulatory environment the people are working in. French people working in America are probably more productive than French people working in France (if for no other reason because they probably work more hours in America than France).

Spoken like a guy who's never been to France.

Classic drive by internet trope.

Maybe try a little harder, have an informed opinion about something.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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And, perhaps most relevantly, the regulatory environment the people are working in. French people working in America are probably more productive than French people working in France (if for no other reason because they probably work more hours in America than France).

Most of french people in engineering jobs in France are working late even tho overtime is never paid.

In the USA they have the famous 9 to 5. Most developers' jobs in France are "9 to 6 with 2 hours to eat in the middle and unpaid overtime," so I would say both countries are equivalent.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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The Magistral Small can fit within a single RTX 4090 or a 32GB RAM MacBook once quantized.

Excellent news for me.

How does one figure this out? As in I want to know the comparable Deepseek or Llama equivalent (size-wise) and don't want to figure it out by trial and error.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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This is why I want to move to the EU. I don’t care if companies aren’t coddled there. I want to live where people are the first priority.

Well, are you ready to live on a low middle class salary of a European software engineer? It is really low middle class. The middle middle here would be a bank clerk, and upper middle — a lawyer or a surgeon. This is not coincidental.

Incidentally (also not) surgeons and lawyers are not poor in the states either… it’s just Silicon Valley was the perfect place with just the right people and it kept growing for 60 years straight. Surgery and law do not grow exponentially. (I’ll pretend the pages of regulation aren’t supposed to count.)

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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I think usb-c and third party app stores are pretty cool

I think the government shouldn't be legislating that companies must use a specific USB connector. Realistically the legislation was only targeting Apple. If consumers want USB-C, then they can vote with their wallets and buy an Android, which is a reasonable alternative.

They shouldn't be forcing people to use patented Qualcomm technology to access cellular networks either but here we are.

Realistically Apple's connector adds no value and if they want to sell into markets like the EU they need to cut that kind of thing out.

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