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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by anon84873628 »

ptero wrote: post #144
anon84873628 wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LA had plenty of local police to handle the scale of the protests (it's something like 88 different jurisdictions in the whole region). Of the 2000 national guard deployed, only 300 have actually been operationalized. There was hardly any looting or rioting. Certainly not more than could be handled locally. Trump is doing this to deliberately escalate the situation.

While I think you are right that Trump is doing this to escalate the situation, > LA had plenty of local police to handle the scale of the protests before sure, and why didn't they do it this time? I suspect for the same reason: both Bass and Newsom want to escalate the situation as well. And when both sides want escalation that's what we get. My 2c.

Note I edited my post to remove "before". What I meant is at the start of these protests. LA had and continues to have plenty of its own law enforcement available. There is simply no reason to nationalize the guard without consent of the governor.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by protocolture »

lenerdenator wrote: post #81

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Protest votes are stupid, but even stupider is chanting vote harder when clearly you aren't able to vote your way out of the death spiral.

Its been comical watching broken systems fall over themselves to accommodate trump while people pretend that they just need to vote for people who will maintain the broken systems instead of abusing them.

If you didnt spend the last 12 years tearing down your broken system and replacing it, you support all this bs. Eventually someone was going to get past the election, into the cockpit of the machine and press all these fucking buttons.

Not only did americans vote for the chimpanzee twice, they never got rid of all the buttons.

"Elections have consequences" you guys are meant to be the demonstration of how an armed populace responds to tyranny. But until I see you guys actually do anything about it, its just proof that more american values are completely worthless.

Enjoy the fall.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by speakfreely »

ekidd wrote: post #78
vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #50

This is probably an unpopular opinion but I would like politicians on the left to speak up about the rioting and burning of stuff at the current protests and also the Tesla and George Floyd protests. It doesn’t help the cause if we allow some assholes to destroy stuff. Basically they are giving people like Trump an excuse to deploy force and a lot of people will agree. I can’t see what is achieved by burning cars and…

> This is probably an unpopular opinion but I would like politicians on the left to speak up about the rioting and burning of stuff at the current protests and also the Tesla and George Floyd protests. I mean, Gavin Newsom just did a long interview from a "crisis center" where he did exactly that, today. And plenty of Democratic politicians also speak against violent protests whenever they occur. But unless you actua…

The Democratic politicians have painted themselves into a corner by trying to maintain far left support. Compare the messaging:

Trump: We must have law and order. Immigration laws must be enforced. We will not tolerate riots or destruction.

Protesters: The government shouldn't detain people who are in the country illegally. We should ignore federal laws we don't agree with. If we disagree with federal agents who are enforcing existing laws, we should impede them, attack them, and destroy property to lash out.

This is not an endorsement of Trump, as he's clearly milking this situation to squeeze Newsom. This is a deliberate strategy to put Newsom in an untenable position and paint him as an irredeemable liberal to everyone outside California. Until the left takes a logically defensible position on illegal immigration, they will continue to be vulnerable to Trump's theater on this and he will continue to bludgeon them with it in elections.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by hypothesis »

EGreg wrote: post #138
bix6 wrote: post #49

This is terrifying and unconscionable. Hard to believe this is the USA today. I don’t really see this de-escalating given the ongoing rhetoric but I hope I’m wrong.

What happened to all those safe active denial systems? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System

> modifications or misuse by an operator could nevertheless turn the ADS into a more damaging weapon which could potentially violate international conventions on warfare

Safe? When manned by actors known to shoot journalists in the head with “less lethal” weapons?

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Post by icar »

SkyeCA wrote: post #168
yahway wrote: post #102

I originally turned to HN to get away from politics, so it's disappointing to see one of the last remaining refuges being overtaken

I am honestly so done with American politics infecting every single part of the English internet. Thankfully there is usually some refuge for those of us who speak more than one language.

I'm interested. Any examples? I feel I'm on the same page as you.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by whyenot »

yahway wrote: post #102

I originally turned to HN to get away from politics, so it's disappointing to see one of the last remaining refuges being overtaken

Why are you posting this on some brand new dummy account? If you feel so strongly about this, post your opinion on your regular account.
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