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“Fewer Users” Warning Hurting Specialized and New Apps

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Re: “Fewer Users” Warning Hurting Specialized and New Apps

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My new startup idea: “upload the same release with a different version and build number about once a month till the end of times" as a service .

My new startup idea: malicious compliance as a service You forward us complaint emails and we create some AI slopscript that fulfils the least compliant interpretation of the rule it can think of. The goal would be to use automated nonsense to try to frustrate MBAs who have managed to burrow all the way to the brain of a tech giant and are now burdening humanity with their folly.

This app is has less malicious compliance than others

Others = FAANG

Re: “Fewer Users” Warning Hurting Specialized and New Apps

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> we don't need any new apps that do similar things to existing apps" I’m not a “Googler who may be responsible”, but my understanding is that Apple does this too… and Google App Store has a reputation for being lower quality. I assume it’s because unoriginal apps at some point are just “polluting” the market and making it harder to find higher quality products. Which is generally what users want. Some things are red…

I don't really understand this thinking. If a long tail of mostly unremarkable apps make the good ones hard to find then that is a flaw of the ranking algorithm. If an app is not even in the app store, how can it possibly attract user interest? What if users happen to like some quirky feature that seems unremarkable to app store reviewers? App stores need better search and filtering.

> App stores need better search and filtering.

I used to think this, but then I just abandoned their search and now use Kagi. (I use the !gp bang for the Play Store, no App Store bang seems to exist.)

I can't imagine ever going back to native store searches now that they're full of ads.

Re: “Fewer Users” Warning Hurting Specialized and New Apps

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Our company just got a warning that we have sixty days to release something on Play or have our developer console account closed. The email made it pretty clear that Google wants developers to continuously push new versions to customers. We have no new features nor bug fixes in backlog. There is nothing to update. The only purpose of our software is to control hardware that our company makes. Nobody uses it for fun,…

I've had a Google developer console/play account for a decade+. Recently had to send some proof of identity stuff in their anti-spam thing -- which I did because who knows one day I might care about the account -- but I haven't released anything there in eight years. No threats of closing my account. Did they instead just warn that they would unpublish the app? Google does have minimum API levels that they slowly mov…

They will suspend the account if you don't complete identity verification, though supposedly you can reinstate it if you disclose your personally identifiable information.

Re: “Fewer Users” Warning Hurting Specialized and New Apps

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post #38

It would be great if they added something like a “frequently uninstalled app” label. That’s much more helpful for users. But I get why Google prefers this kind of warning — it supports their ad business. (I really want “frequently uninstalled” label for games: because games are very often 100% different than what they show or describe)

Would hurt some utility apps though - sometimes I download an app to use for one thing, it works perfectly, and I uninstall it.

(You get an automatic refund if you pay for an app and then uninstall again quickly. I've repurchased apps that I've been refunded for in this way - I don't want to punish developers who make apps that accomplish their function quickly.)

Re: “Fewer Users” Warning Hurting Specialized and New Apps

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Now I’m envisioning a future where nothing works and everything is halted endlessly because it is being handled by LLMs talking to LLMs, which summarize things so that other LLMs make a decision that gets expanded to a huge text with inconsistencies that in the end don’t make sense anymore.

The singularity but stupid

No, it's intelligence. _Artificial_ intelligence.

Re: “Fewer Users” Warning Hurting Specialized and New Apps

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This and the recent Apple App Store fees have justified my decision to only distribute via the web. Thank Tim Berners-Lee for this open ecosystem, and for everyone contributing.

Thanks Tim Sweeney for fighting to open these closed feudal systems.

Thanks to all the Tims!

Re: “Fewer Users” Warning Hurting Specialized and New Apps

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They're ahead of you. They're already using AI slop to come up with these rules in the first place, to verify compliance, and to respond to your complaints. It's AI slop all the way down. And the shittier things are, the more raise they get for successfully moving the needle of utilization of AI in the business model.

Now I’m envisioning a future where nothing works and everything is halted endlessly because it is being handled by LLMs talking to LLMs, which summarize things so that other LLMs make a decision that gets expanded to a huge text with inconsistencies that in the end don’t make sense anymore.

Whose LLM wins. Yours or Googles?

Re: “Fewer Users” Warning Hurting Specialized and New Apps

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Our company just got a warning that we have sixty days to release something on Play or have our developer console account closed. The email made it pretty clear that Google wants developers to continuously push new versions to customers. We have no new features nor bug fixes in backlog. There is nothing to update. The only purpose of our software is to control hardware that our company makes. Nobody uses it for fun,…

Imagine if we talked about other computers like we talked about phones. It's just so weird - you can only install programs from our approved package manager - if you make any transactions through your program, we'll take a 30% cut - you can't be access those files, you're not root - you got root?! We're going to fucking sue you (yeah, I know about the PS3...) - you can't change these settings - you can't access that…

> Imagine if we talked about other computers like we talked about phones. I

That's the goal for PCs too. Windows is already partway there and they keep pushing.

Re: “Fewer Users” Warning Hurting Specialized and New Apps

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post #38

It would be great if they added something like a “frequently uninstalled app” label. That’s much more helpful for users. But I get why Google prefers this kind of warning — it supports their ad business. (I really want “frequently uninstalled” label for games: because games are very often 100% different than what they show or describe)

Would hurt some utility apps though - sometimes I download an app to use for one thing, it works perfectly, and I uninstall it. (You get an automatic refund if you pay for an app and then uninstall again quickly. I've repurchased apps that I've been refunded for in this way - I don't want to punish developers who make apps that accomplish their function quickly.)

Are you sure the refund is automatic if you just uninstall? That seems strange.

Re: “Fewer Users” Warning Hurting Specialized and New Apps

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post #66
post #60

Very sad state of affairs on Play Store. Independent app developers are clearly not welcome there. I already pulled all my hobby apps from Play Store, just to sleep soundly at night without thinking how to pass yet another app review after update, when policies keep getting more ridiculous each time. To the point where one update finally was pushed to the store, and another got the same issue again. The biggest quest…

Based on another comment on this thread, it sounds like maybe the easiest way would have been to leave all those apps up without updating them, and then hopefully get a 60-day warning that you can ignore.

I did ignore it and I got my developer account banned. They didn't even refund my 15 $.
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