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Thanks! I wonder where this discrepancy comes from
probably under-indexing of non-english sources by these crawlers. would be interesting if yandex opened some data sets!
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That's clearly a different question. It'd be possible for these models to be Mandarin-first while still supporting other languages, like American models are English-first while doing the same, but that's not what's happening.
> That's clearly a different question. It'd be possible for these models to be Mandarin-first while still supporting other languages What would a hypothetical "Mandarin-first" model look like to you? I challenge the notion that the current models are "English-first" - that is an unsubstantiated opinion not supported by fact. I bet, dollars to donuts, these models are SoTA in Mandarin as well. When framed that way, as…
Given a language-agnostic prompt like "12 + 89", any explanatory text it outputs could be expected to be in Mandarin most of the time.
According to this test, Xiaomi's MiMo-7B-RL is an English-first model.
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> The most popular one, Baidu, is like garbage compared to Google search It must be very bad when you see the walking turd that Google search has become over the years…
It is. In Chinese speaking countries where there's google available, no one is using Baidu
The README says "RL" without specifying what kind of RL is used. Researchers: I know you are busy, and I know good writing takes time, but please don't skip this kind of detail.
Why are there so many English-first AI models from China? Are they not interested in serving their own population? Or is it that if they publish Chinese-first models it won't get publicity in the West?
All LLMs are trained on the same basic blob of data - mostly in English, mostly pirated books and stuff.
Many LLMs are trained on synthetic data produced by other LLMs. (Indirectly, they may be trained on pirated books. Sure. But not directly.)
Why are there so many English-first AI models from China? Are they not interested in serving their own population? Or is it that if they publish Chinese-first models it won't get publicity in the West?
They are not "English-first". Deepseek-R1, for example, reasons in Chinese when you ask it a question in Chinese.
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It is. In Chinese speaking countries where there's google available, no one is using Baidu
Do any of those countries have a good relationship with China and/or countries from there?
Why are there so many English-first AI models from China? Are they not interested in serving their own population? Or is it that if they publish Chinese-first models it won't get publicity in the West?
The mandarin language models obviously exist, but what would you do with them if they provided access to them? And what knowledge would be in them? What is the body of knowledge encoded in Mandarin? What does that look like? Sad reality is that not many outside of China have the facility with Mandarin to use those models. Even non-native Mandarin speakers who claim to be "fluent", are often messing up intended meanin…
Happens with English as well, but non-native speakers of English still benefit from these models.
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The pendulum already turned back. The current generation under 20 grew up with touchscreens. That obseletes input with pinyin; many don't care if the device has no keyboard.
> That obseletes input with pinyin Uh? Pinyin input is by far the most popular input technique in China. I rarely see anyone using handwriting input. That being said, it has nothing to do with English winning. It's just a Chinese input technique that uses the latin alphabet. English fluency in China is not very common, especially spoken English.