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Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by int_19h »

eucryphia wrote: post #7

You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music

This particular direction is over 180 years old at this point.

"[The Analytical Engine] might act upon other things besides number, were objects found whose mutual fundamental relations could be expressed by those of the abstract science of operations, and which should be also susceptible of adaptations to the action of the operating notation and mechanism of the engine...Supposing, for instance, that the fundamental relations of pitched sounds in the science of harmony and of musical composition were susceptible of such expression and adaptations, the engine might compose elaborate and scientific pieces of music of any degree of complexity or extent."

Lovelace, Ada; Menabrea, Luigi (1842). "Sketch of the Analytical Engine invented by Charles Babbage Esq".

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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int_19h wrote: post #167
voidspark wrote: post #103

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We can join the Amish and reject all technology based on AI. There may be a war against Big Tech. Terrorist attacks on data centers and robot factories.

Guess who wins in a war where one side has killer drone swarms with thermal vision, and the other one doesn't? The only way to win this fight is to embrace the tech and put it to good use, not to shun it.

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Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by lifeinthevoid »

qnleigh wrote: post #160

I'm very happy to see that they're prioritizing making tools for musicians, rather than making AI music generators to replace musicians. Everything else I've come across so far was trying to do the latter.

Maybe they're playing the long game and using this to train on musician's input to prepare for the final blow.

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Post by brulard »

eucryphia wrote: post #7

You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music

For the last year I have been generating music heavily with Udio. For few years before that I was creating music by hand, trying to get into all aspects of music creation (theory, composition, sound design, mixing, arrangement, etc.) and let me tell you - this last year was the most fun I had with music. Generation isn't just a big button to push to get the output. It's completely separate creative process that opens a plethora of possibilities which you can mix & match with all the other skills you had before.

One other aspect of art generation is that it can complement your other creative process. You may need illustration for a book you're writing, or assets + music for your game. So let the AI help you where you need help and you yourself focus on the things that matter to you the most or where you are having the most fun.

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Post by chii »

voidspark wrote: post #148
paulluuk wrote: post #143

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Thanking of yourself as "redundant" limits your view of a human to that of a machine, and in doing so you are doing humanity a great disservice. I'd recommend reading the Culture series for a vision of a future where AI has essentially taken over and humans can live out their lives as they want instead of as they need to.

What if you WANT to have a career or a job which is now done exclusively by AGI?

There are still blacksmiths today, selling artisanal products. I dont believe it to be any different with the advent of AGI.

What you don't get of course, is the economic benefit of previously.

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Post by flanked-evergl »

mFixman wrote: post #158
antononcube wrote: post #110

The creation of music by AI brings to mind a quote from David Bowie: “Music itself is going to become like running water or electricity. So take advantage of these last few years, because this will never happen again. Get ready for a lot of touring, because that's the only unique experience left.” While Bowie had different reasoning for making that statement, it's interesting to think that with AI-generated music, hi…

This sounds like the kind of things painters said after good photography because widespread. Instead we got aesthetically original avant-garde art to replace the thousands of low-quality slop portraits that were common in the mid-19th century.

aesthetically original, avant-garde, and bad.

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Post by nsteel »

tmountain wrote: post #155
larodi wrote: post #114

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Perhaps much of what humans be doing in this regard is - validation, and the physical work left. But we're not there yet, of course. Vibe coding takes a lot of manual labor, and it's nowhere near for the actually complex tasks such as... multi-part CTEs munching gigs of spatial-temporal data. Speaking of AI in music - well, perhaps many will welcome some tools when you have to: - clear hissing - process levels in ted…

I’ve been writing software for 25 years and am “vibe coding” a fairly complex game in my spare time. It saves time on boilerplate but it is absolutely not capable of doing all the work. There’s still some assembly required and doing so requires domain knowledge and expertise. Also, prompting properly requires the same. If I were to compare the experience to building a house, I’m now the foreman—and no longer doing th…

The scary thing is while a construction labourer knows how to properly lay bricks, an AI's output is reliably unreliable. Does the foreman have to go round checking every little thing on the site? That would be a waste of time. Using these AI tools for anything important is too high risk.

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Post by pjmlp »

usrnm wrote: post #145
pjmlp wrote: post #118

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Many keep forgetting programming is also creative work, but yeah whatever.

It is creative to the same extent as any other kind of engineering is: somewhat, but not really.

Keep beliving it, software factories are not much different from other factories, even if some engineering is required.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by voidspark »

chii wrote: post #175
voidspark wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if you WANT to have a career or a job which is now done exclusively by AGI?

There are still blacksmiths today, selling artisanal products. I dont believe it to be any different with the advent of AGI. What you don't get of course, is the economic benefit of previously.

If AGI takes my job as a software developer, my career is finished. I don't know what else to do.

Companies won't give a shit about "artisanal" code.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by jagaerglad »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #122
jagaerglad wrote: post #84

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I don't think there would be any art or writing to do if there was absolutely no "laundry and dishes", conflict, either. The Wall-e future seems more consistent with that honestly, but maybe I'm just revealing an ugly part of my own personality

This is contradicted by the fact that, throughout history, there have been tons of rich people who not even once had to do laundry or any other menial tasks. Many of them were interested in art or produced it. And many led fulfilling lives without getting depressed from not working as some people fear.

Ok yes very good point you're right. What often happened in the olden times was that science took the shape of art, or religious or ideological conviction drove tireless creation.

Let's say science is left to the robots and the lack of "laundry" never leads to people's suffering, never leads to people asking the big questions about life, etc (I was making big assumptions about AI-keeps-us-as-pets, life in abundance, lack of common threats or conflicts etc). What art is there to create, sans banana stuck to the wall? Somebody in the thread joked about being fed through a tube in a pod or something

But yeah in such a case there will probably still be some fire art about the alienation implied by merely being a human. In the end, no AI can experience being a human that was replaced by AI. Given the vestigial remains of our by then atrophied intelligence can appreciate it

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