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Evertop: E-ink IBM XT clone with 100+ hours of battery life

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Re: Evertop: E-ink IBM XT clone with 100+ hours of battery life

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I think there is a class of device here that is missing. Low power but forever devices that have some basic functionality. Over time I could see this taking over laptops and the like as ultra-low-power became more and more capable.

> Low power but forever devices that have some basic functionality

Just jailbreak your eink Kindle?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43073969

Re: Evertop: E-ink IBM XT clone with 100+ hours of battery life

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https://github.com/unkyulee/micro-journal

That's pretty neat. It doesn't seem to hit the days or months of use on AA batteries constraint. That said, I didn't consider the ESP32 line of SBCs and now I'm looking into low power variants so thanks for pointing this out.

If you want low power, try the nRF52 series of chips (e.g. nRF52840). Much less power hungry than the ESP32 with a comparable ARM core. Only Bluetooth though - no WiFi. nRF52840 sensors can run for months on a single CR2032 coin cell, and the power consumption while running is lower too.

Re: Evertop: E-ink IBM XT clone with 100+ hours of battery life

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For e-ink, does the refresh count include the entire screen or individual pixels?

From what I can tell, a partial refresh of the display (updating a smaller portion of the screen) performs less wear on the display than a full refresh, but it can still accumulate over time. Additionally some displays will require a full refresh after a certain number of partial refreshes to deal with ghosting.

I read an article from someone doing a similar project and if you don't do a full refresh every so often then you'll actually wear out the display faster (he burned one out real quick). It actually needs those full refreshes after so many partial updates.

Re: Evertop: E-ink IBM XT clone with 100+ hours of battery life

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what's the rationale for x86? To run vintage software? I would love an eink laptop like this but with ARM, modern ports and linux

> what's the rationale for x86? To run vintage software?

Sounds reasonable. In an off-grid situation, best to stick with software written before the mid-2000s.

Re: Evertop: E-ink IBM XT clone with 100+ hours of battery life

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That's pretty neat. It doesn't seem to hit the days or months of use on AA batteries constraint. That said, I didn't consider the ESP32 line of SBCs and now I'm looking into low power variants so thanks for pointing this out.

If you want low power, try the nRF52 series of chips (e.g. nRF52840). Much less power hungry than the ESP32 with a comparable ARM core. Only Bluetooth though - no WiFi. nRF52840 sensors can run for months on a single CR2032 coin cell, and the power consumption while running is lower too.

Those look great!

Re: Evertop: E-ink IBM XT clone with 100+ hours of battery life

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Fully upgraded, my XT had VGA, 1MB including extended memory shenanigans, a sound card, a SCSI card, and Ethernet.

I threw in a VGA, and dual 20Mb hard disks. 10Mhz, v20 and 8087 FPU. Dual 6550 serial card, great for modem, over kill for a mouse. A $9 sound card that was AdLib compatible on one chip.

Ye olde XT I had topped out with 640KB of RAM, a 20 megabyte and 15 megabyte MFM drives (ST-225, ST-419), two power supplies (the big full-height 15-meg drive needed extra time to spin up), one 16550 serial port card, no mouse, a SoundBlaster 1.5, a clock card, and a 2 megabyte EMS expansion card (with 72 individual DIP chips on it)....with a 10MHz 8088.

Weird times.

Eventually, someone donated a board with an AMD 386SX-33, which I immediately overclocked to 40MHz. Things became a lot different after that.

Re: Evertop: E-ink IBM XT clone with 100+ hours of battery life

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I'm not even sure why you would point this out. I'm also quite certain there were also no USB flash drives, SD card support, Wifi networking and e-ink displays in the early 1990s. It's not a replica in any way, it does not claim to be that. Just a cool compute device!

What does clone mean?

It means the author is fond of just making shit up.

"I built an XT 'clone' [that doesn't even target the same CPU as an XT]"

Re: Evertop: E-ink IBM XT clone with 100+ hours of battery life

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it does not matter in practice, let's say you do a full refresh once a second, it would take more than 11 days to do 1 million refreshes, if you do full refresh once a minute, it would take 2 years

Those numbers don't seem high, at all, for me. Typing would probably cause a refresh more often than every second and even if it's delayed to be once, every second, it's still only 11 days.

For the usage being discussed here, 1 million is extremely low. For its original intended usage, which might cause one to dozens of refreshes per day, it's more than it'll ever need.

Re: Evertop: E-ink IBM XT clone with 100+ hours of battery life

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I agree! Ten years ago, we had netbooks with adequate performance for many tasks, and battery life of 10+ hours. Given the advances in CPUs since then, we should be able to pack similar performance onto much smaller CPUs, using much less power. Screens have also advanced since then. Where are the super thin and light laptops that allow me to write emails, do light coding and browsing and SSH into other devices with 5…

You don't need 50hr of battery life. If you're on a network, you're near power of some kind. Laptops these days use less than 10W in light usage and will run off anything with a USB power port. This is a "solved problem" by the mainstream retail PC manufacturers...

> If you're on a network, you're near power of some kind.

Unless you're not, because you're using an LTE modem, or inflight wifi on an aircraft without in-seat power, or any of a number of other real world scenarios.

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