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Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by ilt »

freediver wrote: post #158
viraptor wrote: post #2

If the staff sees this - please stop preventing zoom. Not only is that bad for accessibility, it makes the article less useful for everyone - there's a screenshot included showing off the feature, but it's too small to read on the phone and I can't zoom in.

I can look into it. Can you clarify what you mean? Article zooms in normally for me (Orion browser/iOS).

OP might have meant that pinch and zoom is locked in and that’s why they can’t zoom into that screenshot?

Edit: I can zoom in perfectly in my browser - Safari on iPhone - here.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by lukas099 »

troupo wrote: post #54
colonial wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Revenue != profit. Discord, like almost every 2010s SaaS startup, has revenue (from your Nitro) - but not nearly enough to cover expenses.

> Revenue != profit And for over a decade most companies talk only about revenue, which is infuriating. Because most startups and tech darlings survive only by continuous infusion of unlimited investor money.

> most startups and tech darlings survive only by continuous infusion of unlimited investor money.

Investors making long bets is a good thing, I’d argue.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by lotsofpulp »

weird-eye-issue wrote: post #170
ltbarcly3 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> I can't think of any other consumer SaaS provider that automatically answers my reflexive "how does this make money?" question. My reply was in response to the above quote and not whether they are currently profitable or not. Besides, a company being profitable at this very moment is actually not that relevant in the long term.

> Besides, a company being profitable at this very moment is actually not that relevant in the long term.

It’s pretty relevant, especially for a business that is 9 years old, and has no hardware R&D/manufacturing component.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by numpad0 »

jillyboel wrote: post #166
i_love_retros wrote: post #145

Kagi are one of my favorite companies. In a world where buying a T-shirt requires me to hand over my phone number ("in case we need to contact you about your order" - yeah, right) I find it so refreshing that kagi barely require any info from me except some form of payment.

The shipping companies seem to demand it from the sender. But they never use it so just fill in a random number.

They do if needed. AliExpress at one point required my address to be in full UTF-8 representation that I wasn't comfortable with, what I assume to have been the post office called me twice without caller ID, and the package got "delivered" to random neighborhood of the airport hundreds of miles away.

They don't call you if you live in a cleanly ASCII representable address with zero ambiguity and you don't have to be contacted from customs. Otherwise the courier do use the number.

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Post by ltbarcly3 »

gchamonlive wrote: post #121
ltbarcly3 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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People shouldn't add insult to injury. Just because someone failed to do proper research and documentation doesn't make it ok for others to make the same mistake. People should lead by example, not by shunning.

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Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by scosman »

Okay - this is amazing. I’m a happy paying Kagi user. Getting to apply almost all of my payment towards for cross-platform tokens as a bonus - wow.

This will replace a chatGPT and Anthropic sub for most everyday users. Their assistant is better than bringing my own keys to a client for most use cases. Just wow.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by viraptor »

freediver wrote: post #158
viraptor wrote: post #2

If the staff sees this - please stop preventing zoom. Not only is that bad for accessibility, it makes the article less useful for everyone - there's a screenshot included showing off the feature, but it's too small to read on the phone and I can't zoom in.

I can look into it. Can you clarify what you mean? Article zooms in normally for me (Orion browser/iOS).

It's blocked on Firefox on Android. Another comment quoted the meta tag which disables it.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by troupo »

lukas099 wrote: post #172
troupo wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Revenue != profit And for over a decade most companies talk only about revenue, which is infuriating. Because most startups and tech darlings survive only by continuous infusion of unlimited investor money.

> most startups and tech darlings survive only by continuous infusion of unlimited investor money. Investors making long bets is a good thing, I’d argue.

The bets are invariably: sell to the highest bidder, exit through inflated IPO and/or speculative "market capitalization".

There are a few outliers like "let's subsidize this price dumping until all competitors are dead and then we recoup money by being a de facto monopoly"

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by sebastiennight »

troupo wrote: post #139
sebastiennight wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They are either profitable or acquired :) Why? Once a company has been acquired, does it automatically fall out of profitability? If it's acquired in a stock sale, it remains an independent entity and still has a P&L If it's acquired/merged in an asset sale (not usually a good sign), it can still be assessed whether the new division is profitable - except in some rare cases like Google (allegedly!) not wanting to i…

> Once a company has been acquired, does it automatically fall out of profitability? It becomes a part of the company that bought it? > Seems very wrong based on looking at YC's portfolio, which apparently includes a bunch of profitable startups It contains very few profitable startups. Those are the exceptions.

> It becomes a part of the company that bought it?

Not necessarily. As I explained above, most successful acquisitions are stock sales, in which case the acquiring company now owns the startup (they hold the shares). The startup is still a separate entity at this point.

Google is known for just merging the acquired startups into their product line (and/or killing them), but it's not a hard rule that all acquisitions are mergers.

For example, AFAIK Livestream is still a subsidiary of Vimeo (ie wholly owned, but separate): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vimeo_Livestream

So Livestream can be profitable or not, separately from whether its acquirer is.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by ericrallen »

C4stor wrote: post #9

The "fair use" part takes a lot of place in this article. It talks a lot about what happens if you use more tokens than what you're allowed, but curiously doesn't pip a word about what happens if you use less - for example maybe with a partial rebate on your next billing cycle ? I think "fair" should mean "fair for all parties involved", currently it's rather a "we don't want to incur any risk" policy, since I don't…

It’s probably worth noting that they do offer a refund of your subscription price if you don’t perform searches in a given month, which is pretty much the opposite of how every other company with a subscription works.

It wasn’t a day one feature, so there’s some chance that a thing like this could roll out.

The article probably focuses on the overage because that’s what most users are going to be concerned about.

Few other companies seem to try to do things in the interests of their users and balance that against making enough money to keep existing.

This feels a bit like manufactured outrage.

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