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Tech companies are telling immigrant employees on visas not to leave the U.S.

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Post by watwut »

parineum wrote: post #141
watwut wrote: post #140

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They are openly enablers, twisting the rules for them whenever they can. Thomas is also quite corrupt. Kavanaugh is purely political advancing conservative project. Alito the same, with better excuses.

Kavanaugh has been a swing vote several cases that have gone against conservatives. He's been fairly judicially consistent in his interpretation of the law, even when it isn't in favor of Republicans.

Kavanaugh was put there to put an end to abortions. So, he made his promises not to end them and then he did.

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Post by watwut »

akimbostrawman wrote: post #161
watwut wrote: post #158

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"Cultural threat" is not correct descriptor of "elimination of white race". They were talking about race war, you are trying to find words that make it non fascist. So, you will need to be precise about what your euphemism of "real cultural threat" means. If it means that they perceive Jews as the reason for "elimination of white race" as they said, then it is just being Nazi with all the logical consequences. Some p…

They did not mention a war. You can eliminate a race without a war or violence.

No you cant.

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Post by SauciestGNU »

tgma wrote: post #96
nxhxgs wrote: post #88

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Its not like immigrants have had wonderful, controllable and predictable paths to residency in the past. For those who arent Einstein or belong to the over rated HN crowd, the system has always be exploitative. Anyone who isnt born rich and has been through the process has had to live with constant fear, doubt and uncertainty.

+1. This. As an alien you would have generally been extra wary of your behavior. Civil disobedience and dedication to political action is not what you should expect of an average alien. Some natural born citizens seem to have been introduced to the immigrant experience yesterday.

100% agree with civil disobedience being high risk. And it always has been for immigrants. But writing articles in a newspaper? Criticizing domestic or particular foreign governments? If immigrants can't exercise purely expressive speech something is drastically fucked up.

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Post by neverbehind »

Calavar wrote: post #14
BuckRogers wrote: post #9

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> Brighter days ahead once again for the descendants of those that settled, built, and fought for this country. A very 1920s vibe in the 2020s, which makes me sad that we've slid this far back, that so many Americans no longer believe that the melting pot is a good idea even in theory.

The melting pot idea clearly benefits some groups more than others. It should come as no surprise when the groups that it does not benefit start questioning the origin of that idea and who is pushing it in the first place.

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

piva00 wrote: post #154
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #147

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>what is really needed is a change in education. we need to teach the next generation that operating in good faith is absolutely essential for the future of mankind. How can mankind have any future at all, when education is one of the tools used to indoctrinate children into not wanting children of their own someday? The first priority of any society/civilization must always be that of making the next generation of p…

> How can mankind have any future at all, when education is one of the tools used to indoctrinate children into not wanting children of their own someday? The first priority of any society/civilization must always be that of making the next generation of people... or else that society/civilization will soon cease to exist. And we no longer hold that as a priority. Whatever the solution might be, I do not think that i…

>Just look at workaholic societies like South Korea and Japan, societal pressures around earning money to support a family,

So, if we check the unemployed in Japan, they will be baby daddies to six or seven children? It's not workaholism.

>Education is in no way indoctrinating children into not wanting children.

You understand that this sounds like a lie not because I watch Fox News, but rather because I've had the kids come home telling me about how they were taught that the most important thing that they could do to lower their carbon footprint was to not have children, but that "adoption was just as good"? Granted, I'd agree that it's almost certainly not some official written policy somewhere, but the indoctrination is real and personally witnessed. And it's not just that, there are other examples.

>You are conflating education with the current economical system, which uses education to have a trained workforce to

If that were ever true, it hasn't been so since your grandparent's time. We don't need a workforce, not enough industry left to require it. Should I just ignore the fallacy where "education system" means whatever is most convenient for your argument rather than the government bureaucracy and social institution that always tends to have "education" either in the agency's name itself or in its official purpose?

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Post by tgma »

SauciestGNU wrote: post #173
tgma wrote: post #96

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+1. This. As an alien you would have generally been extra wary of your behavior. Civil disobedience and dedication to political action is not what you should expect of an average alien. Some natural born citizens seem to have been introduced to the immigrant experience yesterday.

100% agree with civil disobedience being high risk. And it always has been for immigrants. But writing articles in a newspaper? Criticizing domestic or particular foreign governments? If immigrants can't exercise purely expressive speech something is drastically fucked up.

Rubio affirmatively suggested the op-ed is not why she got deported. Nothing happened to her co-authors.

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Post by em-bee »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #175
piva00 wrote: post #154

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> How can mankind have any future at all, when education is one of the tools used to indoctrinate children into not wanting children of their own someday? The first priority of any society/civilization must always be that of making the next generation of people... or else that society/civilization will soon cease to exist. And we no longer hold that as a priority. Whatever the solution might be, I do not think that i…

>Just look at workaholic societies like South Korea and Japan, societal pressures around earning money to support a family, So, if we check the unemployed in Japan, they will be baby daddies to six or seven children? It's not workaholism. >Education is in no way indoctrinating children into not wanting children. You understand that this sounds like a lie not because I watch Fox News, but rather because I've had the k…

I've had the kids come home telling me about how they were taught that the most important thing that they could do to lower their carbon footprint was to not have children

ugh. i understand that this sentiment is going around. but i don't think it is coming from the school or the curriculum. it is more likely a teacher sharing their personal, misguided, opinion.

We don't need a workforce, not enough industry left to require it

that doesn't change the fact that companies demand trained employees. it's not just industry. every sector demands that employees are handed to them full of experience in their trade. companies don't want to invest into training themselves.

likewise parents demand that children finish school ready to get hired into well paid jobs.

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Post by FireBeyond »

kragen wrote: post #122
FireBeyond wrote: post #102

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I emigrated to the US as a fiancée. It was not necessarily easy or cheap (I'm agreeing with you) and I came from a "low visa fraud risk country" (Australia). Some of the challenges faced: It probably cost around $30,000 all up. Every visit to a consular office or USCIS cost about $100 in biometrics alone (each time). Fees for applying, fees for adjustments. My partner and I had an issue where I was supporting her (sh…

As lesbians, do you think it would be more difficult for you under Trump? Was this before or after Australia legalized same-sex marriage seven years ago?

My partner would initially find it difficult to learn that I, who she has known forever as a cisgender heterosexual male, am in fact a lesbian...

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Post by SauciestGNU »

tgma wrote: post #176
SauciestGNU wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% agree with civil disobedience being high risk. And it always has been for immigrants. But writing articles in a newspaper? Criticizing domestic or particular foreign governments? If immigrants can't exercise purely expressive speech something is drastically fucked up.

Rubio affirmatively suggested the op-ed is not why she got deported. Nothing happened to her co-authors.

Rubio can say what he wants but there's no record of her doing anything else and he's a proven liar. If it was something else let them allege it. There isn't.

I haven't checked, but perhaps the other authors were citizens?

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