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Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by throwaway48476 »

jwrallie wrote: post #128
mythz wrote: post #22

All these user hostile behavior finally tipped me over the edge last year after I started to get Windows 10 EOL popups. No way I was going to "upgrade" to a ad/spyware/subscription ridden MS marketing platform and be constantly nagged at to try out more of their services. Moved to a Fedora Desktop, liberating to move back to an conflict-free OS whose primary focus is to serve its users, imagine that.

I've been running the Xfce spin of Fedora for the last year, and it is the most stable OS I have since forever. For the few programs that really need Windows, I use Qemu/KVM with Virt-Manager and Samba for sharing files. I wish to keep using this setup, I just hope buying hardware with good Linux support in the future does not become too difficult. I fear moving away from x86 will make things harder.

Judging by the price of Qualcomm laptops x86 isn't going away any time soon.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by throwaway48476 »

HeatrayEnjoyer wrote: post #19
technion wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been saying the writing was on the wall for a long time. Any time someone says how easy it is to simply avoid MS account registration I've argued that it's not going to last much longer. Even Microsoft's current Storage Spaces Direct won't let you start a locally hosted Hyper-V VM without an Azure connection.

What if there's an outage or somewhere you don't have reliable internet?

Recently Sony PSN was down for days because of a DDoS. Centralizing failure points is always a bad idea.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by nullify88 »

zakki wrote: post #54
nullify88 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, those that are on the Windows 10 IoT LTSC builds will enjoy updates until 2032. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows...

Do you know where to buy it?

As far as I know you need to sail across the high seas.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by throwaway48476 »

khaledh wrote: post #119

Microsoft knew they were losing the client device market to iPhone and Android (after their Windows Phone flopped). So they essentially gave up on improving Windows, and decided to turn it into a thin client for Microsoft cloud services. For this model to work well, they need to force users to have a stable identification, aka Microsoft account, in order to login to the thin client. Windows is over. I moved to Apple…

MacOS is less hostile but still very hostile.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by throwaway48476 »

chneu wrote: post #99
sarcasmatwork wrote: post #30

Could you create a slipstream ISO using nlite, create a user and then it's bypassed?

There are builds of win11 like Ghost Spectre that strip a lot of this crap out.

Why not IoT?

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by throwaway48476 »

ohgr wrote: post #108
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you still need an enterprise agreement to get a license for LTSC? That used to be the case for 10, anyways... kinda puts it out of the reach of most users.

No you just steal it and pretend it’s ok because the machine came with windows 11. Tech companies taught me it’s ok to steal and do things without permission.

Its not stealing if you don't seed.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by throwaway48476 »

delfinom wrote: post #177

I keep installing without Microsoft accounts just fine. People keep not realizing there is literally a option for this in the installer still, it's just not named "skip microsoft account". LOL

The existence of work around does not excuse user hostile behavior.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by abanana »

jasode wrote: post #120
sshine wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t believe people didn’t stay on Windows 7. It seems to have slid into some always-online ad-filled cloud hellhole since. Office365 is worse than Office 2000. This is the OEM strategy still at play. You gotta hand it to Bill Gates for capturing PCs for decades. People truly don’t care how poor their operating system behaves, because your only other option is to buy a Mac.

>I can’t believe people didn’t stay on Windows 7. Normal mainstream users can't stay on very old operating systems like Windows 7 because they'll eventually be forced to install newer software that's not compatible with it . Outside actors other than Microsoft force os upgrades. - buy a new printer and it only has drivers for newer os like Windows 10/11 and later - need for installing newer software like latest versi…

Some of us do! I get fewer problems at home on W7 than at work on W10/11.

- Printers: the W7 cohort probably overlaps with users of classic HP Laserjets (I know it's not just me!).

- Chrome: Supermium adds W7 support back into the latest(ish) version.

- SSL/TLS: does such an issue exist on W7? It's exactly what pushed my mother (at the age of about 65, and hating having to learn anything new) to upgrade to 11 from XP a year or so ago. I do all my Internet banking on W7, via several different banks as I often move around chasing the best interest rates, and never had a problem with any of them. (Vivaldi, Supermium, Firefox 115ESR.)

- Some software such as Adobe XD: yeah, unfortunately it's not supported. Depends how much it's needed I suppose. I may be forced to "upgrade" sometime this year but I'd really rather not.

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