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Google will develop Android OS behind closed doors starting next week

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Re: Google will develop Android OS behind closed doors starting next week

#171

This headline really is misleading. The source will still be released, it just means that the work leading up to a release will be in private. IMO, there's nothing wrong with that, since it's likely that a lot of the intermediate com mediates are likely just noise.

>The source will still be released

Lol nice pipe dream. The source isn't even fully released today.

Re: Google will develop Android OS behind closed doors starting next week

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post #58

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"likely just noise" It's always noise to people that don't care, but matters to people who rely on AOSP, including third-party ROM developers.

You are saying that non-Google parties are reliant on AOSP being developed in the open on a public Gerrit instance? In what way?

We can be less blindsided when the latest wave of anti-consumer features are announced.

Re: Google will develop Android OS behind closed doors starting next week

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post #58

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"likely just noise" It's always noise to people that don't care, but matters to people who rely on AOSP, including third-party ROM developers.

You are saying that non-Google parties are reliant on AOSP being developed in the open on a public Gerrit instance? In what way?

Where do you think LineageOS gets their feature updates and security patches?

Re: Google will develop Android OS behind closed doors starting next week

#174
post #149

Too bad. There should be a proper open Linux + Wayland for mobile, not Android Frankenstein anyway.

That's what https://plasma-mobile.org is supposed to be. But the problem is there is yet to be a single device that has every hardware feature working %100...see https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices#Main

Right, plus it needs a better backing to make a nice UI. Plasma mobile is more of a POC, not really a polished user experience by far.

One good thing Google could do is demand upstream open drivers from hardware makers.

Re: Google will develop Android OS behind closed doors starting next week

#175

I’m glad they’re dropping the pretense of being an open platform. Maybe this will create space for a truly open mobile platform that respects our privacy even better than Apple. I never liked Android anyway, felt half baked and unpolished even on several flagship phones I used it on some years ago before giving up on it.

what did you switch to?

Re: Google will develop Android OS behind closed doors starting next week

#176
post #87

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Here you go: https://mobian-project.org/ postmarketOS is based on Alpine Linux: https://postmarketos.org/

Still there is yet to be a device that is completely supported, see the following section which is currently empty: https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices#Main

Interesting. I know the Librem 5 is usable as a day to day phone (I have been using it as such for 3.5 years), and a few phones used to be in that catagory. I guess they changed how they consider main vs community.

Re: Google will develop Android OS behind closed doors starting next week

#177
post #61

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What apps? I think only android auto requires it. All the rest works just fine with occasional glitches. Of course that most probably greatly depends of what kind of apps you are using but usually microG is just enough.

Many banking apps will outright refuse to run on rooted devices, much less google-free forks. There are ways around that but those ways are unreliable and could break at any given time -- I am not risking losing the ability to pay for things online just for the sake of running an android fork. (in my country, all the banks switched to requiring 2FA from their app if you make online purchases with your visa or masterc…

I think banks requiring you to buy hardware you don't actually own (a blessed android phone) to run software you can't control (this banking app) so you can access money you worked to make is absolutely ridiculous and dystopian. Why do you allow a bank to do this to you?

I sincerely hope there is some alternative option in your country. In mine, I can still perform banking activity by going to a physical branch, by calling in, or by using the website with a physical 2FA token (i.e. not my phone). The bank keeps trying to get me to switch over to their app but I will continue to protest this until it's no longer possible to not use an app at which point I will likely switch banks.

Re: Google will develop Android OS behind closed doors starting next week

#178
post #16

>This does not mean that Google is making Android a closed-source platform, but rather that the open-source aspect will only be released when a new branch is released to AOSP with those changes, including when new full versions or maintenance releases are finished. I'll believe it when I see it. These days, words are basically meaningless from these large tech companies. Actions are what matter. at the very least, I'…

No OEM is interested in AOSP builds, because no one is going to buy an Android phone without Google Play Services, which is required for many popular apps to work (banking, games). There were some Chinese OEMs that ran an Android build and have unofficial ways to get Play Store working (Boox eReaders for example), but those are increasingly rare now, as years of sanctions has led to Huawei de-Googling itself fast, wi…

We're all going to have to live in ze pod and eat ze boogs when it comes to software platforms and ecosystems because aside from perhaps cloud deployments at scale, there just isn't an incentive to support open source from an ecosystem standpoint.

Give you an example: Recently the Open Source Initiative held board elections. Three of the candidates were disqualified. Two were disqualified for refusing to use proprietary software with Stallman-like stubbornness after explicitly being told that use of proprietary software was non-negotiable for board participation. Lunduke tried to weave it into his neo-Nazi narrative of cultural bolsheviks infesting open source, but the reality is the proprietary software in question is DocuSign -- and there is no alternative in the open source world that does what DocuSign does.

So if the steward organization of open source cannot function without proprietary software, what hope do the rest of us have? Especially with online services using remote attestation and refusing to function unless you're using a known, approved stack from boot to UI layer. May as well buy a Mac and an iPhone and be done with it. Save you lots of hassle and you'll look less like a dweeb.

Re: Google will develop Android OS behind closed doors starting next week

#179
post #175

I’m glad they’re dropping the pretense of being an open platform. Maybe this will create space for a truly open mobile platform that respects our privacy even better than Apple. I never liked Android anyway, felt half baked and unpolished even on several flagship phones I used it on some years ago before giving up on it.

what did you switch to?

The only reasonable alternative for now, Apple. Only thing worse about their devices than the competition is the price. One day they’ll turn as evil as Google, but hopefully other viable options will exist by then.

Re: Google will develop Android OS behind closed doors starting next week

#180

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I'm in a similar spot. There are a few pixel exclusive features that I would certainly miss but I spent a few decades not having a personal assistant robot screen my calls and texts, I can survive without it in the future. Tasker used to be in a class of its own but I believe shortcuts is now as powerful and it even has a user experience that isn't hostile! That might be a net benefit... I hate the iOS keyboard and m…

my chief grief with Apple is the same as yours, I solve it by using a home server w/ self hosted pwas to do everything this pocketable "computer" should be able to do. Sometimes I wonder about flying to the EU to reactivate my phone there if that's possible but knowing Apple there'll be some terrifying kafkaesque twist

> Sometimes I wonder about flying to the EU to reactivate my phone there if that's possible but knowing Apple there'll be some terrifying kafkaesque twist

IIRC you needed to be like in the region like every 30 days, else it updates to your current location (but don't quote me on it, I might be really misremembering the company/product)

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