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Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by pjc50 »

niek_pas wrote: post #161
gadders wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Always a surprise to see the contempt people in blue collar jobs are held in by Democrats.

Genuine question: is farming a blue collar job? My (possibly incorrect) image of farming is management of heavily industrialized processes, not of rolling up your sleeves.

Careful study of farming often reveals that it's a mix of landowners (rich on paper, possible cashflow problems) and workers (usually immigrant, often undocumented, in which case they're not voting at all).

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Post by nelblu »

Teever wrote: post #143
flowerlad wrote: post #126

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> Your boy trump did do deliver, is the US now GREAT enough for you yet? Not our boy. Trump was elected by uneducated farmers, not by HN crowd. Almost 78% of farmers endorsed his most recent presidential run. https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-farmers-voted-trump-feeling-210...

You misunderstand. While America is internally divided between rural and urban, or red and blue, or Woke and MAGA, the rest of the world is becoming united in seeing it all as just those damn Americans, and a growing threat. The world at large has stopped caring about the petty squabbling that goes on in America, the boorishness and the melodrama. America is the house down the street that always has shouting and scre…

THIS. Nobody gives a fuck if half the Americans don't support their dear leader, it's all the same to the rest of us.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by ohgr »

iammjm wrote: post #118

Europeans were perfectly happy to buy American tech und military exports, thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S. - it really was perfect for the U.S. But the US decided that it was actually a BAD DEAL and they wanted to extort even more money and dependence from EU. So now EU is investing in their own tech and military, thus reducing the amount of money US is get…

No we weren't really to start with. What happened was a lot of European business executives worked out the best retirement plan for them was to either sell off our industry or subcontract everything out. I worked for two companies in succession that were sold out to US defence ownership.

Now their successors, who have been hoping that there isn't a tough discussion coming up, are now edging around that it was a terrible idea and backtracking as quickly as possible. Fortunately the US didn't move all the staff out so there are US subsidiaries in Europe which have staff in an uncertain situation who are probably quite easy to hire.

It's a step in the right direction for Europe but only because it was historically a terrible step in the wrong direction.

I think France are probably in a better place than most countries at the moment. That is it.

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Post by pjc50 »

jemmyw wrote: post #148
flowerlad wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your boy trump did do deliver, is the US now GREAT enough for you yet? Not our boy. Trump was elected by uneducated farmers, not by HN crowd. Almost 78% of farmers endorsed his most recent presidential run. https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-farmers-voted-trump-feeling-210...

> Almost 78% of farmers endorsed his most recent presidential run Which is surprising because they were bitten by his tariffs last time round. What made them think he'd do better for them this time?

> What made them think he'd do better for them this time?

Same answer as for everyone else: Fox News.

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Post by brettermeier »

apexalpha wrote: post #100
brettermeier wrote: post #70

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Getting away from AWS is a big step! I hope the company I work for will think about it too. But maybe the time has come. A few months ago, people thought you were crazy if you talked about moving to another cloud service, but I hope the mood has changed with big impact for the future and which services we trust.

We have a looooong way to go. Even this cluster is just one product we consume from AWS. And don't get me started on O365... But the fact that there's money available for this is a big shift.

Oh yeah, replacing AWS may be easier than replacing O365... or otherway around? My company also went all in for O365. It's about replacing Mail, Teams, Teamwebsites, OneNotes and for sure so much more... We also ship our patches via Teamwebsite, it sounds stupid but well, it works... And talking to costumers when they still have Teams but your company ditched it, how would that work and so on... You have to have a lot of hope to think that all this will or can be replaced in the near future.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by speed_spread »

jemmyw wrote: post #148
flowerlad wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your boy trump did do deliver, is the US now GREAT enough for you yet? Not our boy. Trump was elected by uneducated farmers, not by HN crowd. Almost 78% of farmers endorsed his most recent presidential run. https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-farmers-voted-trump-feeling-210...

> Almost 78% of farmers endorsed his most recent presidential run Which is surprising because they were bitten by his tariffs last time round. What made them think he'd do better for them this time?

"Think" is a big word here.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by fifilura »

goodcanadian wrote: post #160
flowerlad wrote: post #126

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> Your boy trump did do deliver, is the US now GREAT enough for you yet? Not our boy. Trump was elected by uneducated farmers, not by HN crowd. Almost 78% of farmers endorsed his most recent presidential run. https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-farmers-voted-trump-feeling-210...

I grew up on a farm. Farmers as a class are not stupid, at least no more so than any other group of people I've dealt with. They do have different interests and priorities than city dwelling people which tend to be better represented by traditionally conservative parties, but that is not an absolute. In Canada, historically, farmers were also responsible for the social credit movement ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

Yeah, I see farmers here in Europe as one of the most educated groups.

They need to be educated in politics and economy in order to navigate all regulations and subsidies.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by krapp »

Jean-Papoulos wrote: post #167
nkmnz wrote: post #144

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There are like… 2% farmers in the US?

A lot of these 2% live in states whose influence on the outcome of the presidential election is disproportionately high due to the electoral system. So you have a high influence of farmers on states that have a high influence on the election outcome and those 2% end up looking more like 4% in terms of practical influence. It is disingenuous to lay the results at their feet only like the comment you're responding to s…

You're correct that this election was more lost by the Democrats than won by the Republicans, but Trump didn't actually get the popular vote. That meme took off well before the final vote count was completed.

It was close, and American politics being what it is, it doesn't actually matter. Hillary Clinton did get a majority in 2016 after all, but the narrative was still that she was the worst and losing-est candidate in American political history. Every Democrat is a liar, a cheat and a communist, every Republican has a mandate from God to sweep the leftists into the sea. That's just how it works, regardless of what the numbers say.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by pjc50 »

ohgr wrote: post #173
iammjm wrote: post #118

Europeans were perfectly happy to buy American tech und military exports, thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S. - it really was perfect for the U.S. But the US decided that it was actually a BAD DEAL and they wanted to extort even more money and dependence from EU. So now EU is investing in their own tech and military, thus reducing the amount of money US is get…

No we weren't really to start with. What happened was a lot of European business executives worked out the best retirement plan for them was to either sell off our industry or subcontract everything out. I worked for two companies in succession that were sold out to US defence ownership. Now their successors, who have been hoping that there isn't a tough discussion coming up, are now edging around that it was a terri…

> US subsidiaries in Europe which have staff in an uncertain situation

Keeping an eye on this myself, as a Brit working in the UK for a US chip company; I'm wondering when the right moment to pull my RSUs from the US brokerage account and back across the Atlantic is.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by Ragnarork »

goodcanadian wrote: post #160
flowerlad wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your boy trump did do deliver, is the US now GREAT enough for you yet? Not our boy. Trump was elected by uneducated farmers, not by HN crowd. Almost 78% of farmers endorsed his most recent presidential run. https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-farmers-voted-trump-feeling-210...

I grew up on a farm. Farmers as a class are not stupid, at least no more so than any other group of people I've dealt with. They do have different interests and priorities than city dwelling people which tend to be better represented by traditionally conservative parties, but that is not an absolute. In Canada, historically, farmers were also responsible for the social credit movement ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

Thank you for saying that.

I see this divide all the time, and I can't bear seeing this used time and time again to make the rural vs. the urban populations angry at each other, which in the end only detracts from trying to see how to make everything work together.

I wish we'd be smarter and stopped just being condescending towards the other group. The only ones actively benefitting from this divide are not well-intentioned people in my mind.

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