Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

Why would selling cause more carbon in the atmosphere?

I suppose it might if you replace with a non-EV, but there are plenty of good EVs.

> Maybe you shouldn't buy Fords then. After all, Henry Ford was basically an actual Nazi.

Henry Ford was indeed a Nazi.

He's also dead, so purchasing a Ford vehicle doesn't support his Nazism any more. But you knew that.

> Unlike Musk, who is called one because... he is against illegal immigration?

This is a straw man.

Nobody thinks Musk is a Nazi because he is against illegal immigration. I think he's a Nazi because he's repeatedly doubled down on racist remarks, Nazi saluted repeatedly, and keeps supporting economic and social policies that Nazis support.

Illegal immigration is and always has been a red herring. The right isn't against illegal immigration--if they were, they would be providing reasonable paths for legal immigration instead of pretending they don't know ladders exist.

i didn't maliciously paraphrase, that's a sentiment a reasonable number of extremely online types seem to share. if you're saying i didn't seem to favor that sentiment, well, obviously.

> I guess the question is when does accountability stop? If a company and its descendant employees and products are built on an evil foundation and benefit from it, how do we rectify as a society? Ford is hardly alone here, many German, Japanese, and American companies were built on wartime atrocities and exist today from that previous goodwill. If the malignant founder is dead, is then the rest of the machine exempt from responsibility?

Corporations aren't people. Yes, I understand the supreme court rulings on this subject, I'm saying the supreme court is wrong.

Each person in a corporation is responsible for their own actions.

This is a very big problem in our society. A more recent Ford misdeed, the Pinto, was rushed through production despite 40+ crash tests in which the fuel tanks ruptured in every test. People knew it would kill people, did it anyway because they could make more money by letting people die, and shareholders were the ones punished. This is an injustice: the people who pushed through the Pinto committed at the very least manslaughter, and have as far as I can tell, never even been named publicly.

Until we address this problem we're going to keep having these problems. GM in 2014 refused to replace faulty ignition switches which ignited, killing 13 people. The car industry is littered with bodies, but these faults are not limited to automotive companies. In 2010 PG&E refused to fix known problems with a gas line and it exploded, leveling 38 homes. It's a miracle that Boeing hasn't killed someone yet. And this is setting aside simple safety neglect: letting people die isn't just a small cost-cutting measure for healthcare companies, it's a core part of their business model.

These decisions are not made by corporations, they are made by individuals, and as long as we continue to punish corporations for individual decisions, while letting literal murderers move on to the next job, this will keep happening. We need to hold individuals, not corporations, accountable.

Unfortunately, a lot of the people with money and power don't want to be held accountable, and have crafted a legal and propaganda system that avoids that. So until that changes we have Luigi Mangione and tanking Tesla stock--actual justice isn't an option we've been given.

> Musk was a darling of the left like 2 years ago.

Not in any leftist circles I was in. You can look through my post history and find me criticizing Musk for wanting to put indentured servants on Mars well before the Twitter buy. There is no such thing as a good person who is a billionaire, and I've never said otherwise.