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Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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Sorry mate. hackernews's open source alternative thread is definitely not the right place for this comment. It would have been greater on a hackernews's more political thread and point out the france open sourcing efforts in that point. Do you want me to delete this comment? I totally would if you want.

Don't delete it, he's trying to restrict your free speech.

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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Firstly, you raise good points , so can you please elaborate? also , whom Do you actually put hope on Europe? > UK actively tries censorship against apple encryption etc. Yes there are countries like germany whose people are really nice ,and I don't mean to offend any european but maybe its my own fault , but I don't know the name of german prime minister (or is it president?) , yes I can search it , but quite frankl…

I think Europe is hopeless. It’s an old continent full of old people who have a deeply vested interest in maintaining the status quo. What Europe needs is a revolution of the young, but demographically that is impossible to happen. The old are willing to sell the young cheap if it means their pensions get increased by 0.1%. That is the source of all the problems in the continent, everything stems from that. From out…

"I think Europe is hopeless. It’s an old continent full of old people who have a deeply vested interest in maintaining the status quo"

By this , do you mean the Average age of a person or birth rate or what exactly , because I think europe doesn't have those issues.

Are you mentioning the fact that Europe has power vested in the old. Doesn't everybody ? Maybe you are mentioning this in the fact that europe doesn't have a startup culture like silicon valley which can give newcomers (young passionate people) a incentive.

I definitely have some points over relativism and though I don't necessarily agree with that , I think we can first agree to discuss about what you mean by the old people comment.

By status quo , what do you mean exactly ?

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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I stopped reading at "AGPL". I appreciate the intent but this stuff is impossible to use in practice. Even governments need partners who would likely be hesitant to run it because of that.

It is MIT licensed not AGPL, explicitly to make it easy to use for anyone. AGPL only applies if you want to use MinIO as your object storage

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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I haven't thought about this a ton - but am I wrong that it sounds crazy and inefficient for the government to essentially compete with private industry? It feels like a colliding of worlds and a cannibalization that doesn't make sense to me. Like - if the government launched a messaging app competitive with WhatsApp and it drew users away from WhatsApp and it had better encryption ... Would that actually be better f…

You’re right. That’s economically inefficient, but apparently seems to be the only way to create models that compete with the bigs. IMHO this repo will die within few years, and that’s both a pity and a waste of public money.

It may or may not die within few years (I'm placing my bets on the optimistic side), if it delivers value today, and the alternative is a cost prohibitive walled garden unsuitable for sensitive data, then it's well worth it cost in public money already.

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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I just believe that regulation should be standardized. Like all my documents can be in this one european locker (I am not sure if it exists) where filing for regulation can be made really really easy. I don't hate regulation , I just hate friction , if we can really remove the maximum amount of friction in regulation as we can without meaningfully removing the purpose of regulation , then we are talking!

(I live in India and its called digilocker here , it still has a lot of issues and isn't that useful for corporation but I did hear something about digilocker for corporation regulations as well)

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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Why am I starting to believe that france is now more culturally shited towards being a new super power in this multi polar world instead of USA. Seriously , I never used to really think about france that much , but Emmanuel Macron correcting trump on live air really made me trust france more as a non US citizen.

When it comes to the use of cutting edge technology to further the goals of the people at large, France has been a leader for some time. As for why you're just noticing now, perhaps the time has come for the rest of us to do the same.

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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Honestly it's a reasonable set of dependencies: * Postgres for permanent storage * an OIDC identity provider so you don't have to make your own password system * Redis for caching * S3-compatible object storage (so you don't have to reinvent file uploads) * The app itself What would you rather them do? Waste time reinventing the wheel for no reason? If you have the IDP and object storage setup already figured out you…

That's a typical tech answer. Do you really want to spin up 10 images for note taking for yourself? From a product standpoint that's not sensible and wastes way to much resources.

Good thing this is a server app and not an end-user product, then.

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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This tool is part of a WIP complete suite of tools for public agents called "La suite numérique". https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr

Tchap looks neat as a Slack alternative, but it seems like it's still only for government workers.

We use Mattermost at work, and apart from the mobile app being a bit shit, and search being kind of useless, it's easily as good as Slack. In some ways it's better, e.g. you can use proper Markdown in messages instead of Slack's Mrkdwn abomination that doesn't even allow links.

I wish they would improve search though; it's kind of a critical feature in a company.

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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I'm intrigued by the decision to call it "Docs".

In any other circumstance it would be a clear trademark infringement on Google Docs. It's literally the same product with the same name, it has an extremely similar logo and almost exactly the same typeface in its logo.

But since this is a government project between France and Germany, maybe governments are allowed to ignore trademarks? Or Google wants to stay on their good side because of all the fines, so the last thing it's going to do is sue them for trademark infringement?

I've never seen a legal situation like this before.

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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This tool is part of a WIP complete suite of tools for public agents called "La suite numérique". https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr

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Huh?

The linked site is https://github.com/suitenumerique/docs which has the commits, readme, code comments, and issues in English.

The github description links to https://docs.numerique.gouv.fr/ which is available in English, French and German.

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