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The School Car Pickup Line Is a National Embarrassment

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Re: The School Car Pickup Line Is a National Embarrassment

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Everyone here should watch the Japanese TV series, Old Enough! . 2-4 year olds are sent out on their own to run errands, etc. Yes, really, 2-4 years old. And they succeed and are fine. https://www.ntv.co.jp/english/pc/2011/02/old-enough.html

Ngl if the price for that is a Japanese level of social control, conformity, and their mad justice system... I'll take a car line.

We can have a walkable community and still have things we love and do.

Re: The School Car Pickup Line Is a National Embarrassment

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Well that headline sums it up. After 10 years of dealing with it and wondering "how the f did we get to this point", it's satisfying to hear it called what it is. A small win in our family was in my son's final year of elementary school when he finally decided to try walking home 1.5 miles; that Spring was a delight for him. He was properly decompressed and had logged a minimum amount of physical activity for good sl…

Everyone here should watch the Japanese TV series, Old Enough! . 2-4 year olds are sent out on their own to run errands, etc. Yes, really, 2-4 years old. And they succeed and are fine. https://www.ntv.co.jp/english/pc/2011/02/old-enough.html

It is importamt to understand the whole cultural picture of this practice:

1. Neighbors and friends are notified in advance. "If you see my daughter and she looks lost, please help her, she is doing an errand."

2. The destination is usually notified. "My daughter is coming to buy rice, let me know if she isnt there in two hours."

3. This practice is somewhat old-fashioned and rural. Many parents wouldnt consider it today.

Remember, the show was aired to a Japanese audience. If it were universal, it would not be worth televising.

Re: The School Car Pickup Line Is a National Embarrassment

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post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone here should watch the Japanese TV series, Old Enough! . 2-4 year olds are sent out on their own to run errands, etc. Yes, really, 2-4 years old. And they succeed and are fine. https://www.ntv.co.jp/english/pc/2011/02/old-enough.html

Ngl if the price for that is a Japanese level of social control, conformity, and their mad justice system... I'll take a car line.

They also did an "Old Enough Canada":

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgBne2KTlDUyxLPg3oalg...

Re: The School Car Pickup Line Is a National Embarrassment

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I think this article misses the one big problem (as I understand it). It's that schools need to dismiss the kid to their parent. I have family in North Carolina and I understand that cars have the family number displayed, and someone with a radio communicates to the school staff "Car 315 is here", they then find that kid and dismiss them. Just do away with that. When the bell rings, send the kids outside and they wil…

The traffic is caused by vehicles queuing up in line, period. The system you describe isn't necessary to cause the traffic. It's not the root cause.

If kids have to be released to their parents and are no longer turned out en masse like they used to be, that will absolutely cause traffic and could very well be the root cause of traffic that exceeds the designed capacity of the school pickup circles.

When I was growing up kids within a mile of the school would walk themselves to school and back home with very few exceptions, often starting with first graders. But even a half mile is a long enough distance that many busy parents in the suburbs would choose to drive it rather than walk it four times a day.

Re: The School Car Pickup Line Is a National Embarrassment

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post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone here should watch the Japanese TV series, Old Enough! . 2-4 year olds are sent out on their own to run errands, etc. Yes, really, 2-4 years old. And they succeed and are fine. https://www.ntv.co.jp/english/pc/2011/02/old-enough.html

> And they succeed and are fine. They also literally had a camera and crew on standby while also blocking off streets (off screen).

I don't know what you read, but there are plenty of scenes of the kids crossing streets that have traffic.

Re: The School Car Pickup Line Is a National Embarrassment

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But it does cause it because every car needs to get checked off. When I was a kid in the 80s, there were still quite a few kids that got picked up, but no one was picking them up from the door. They'd park somewhere around the school within a block or two.

I dunno... I grew up in the 80s/90s and most of us took the bus or walked if we lived within a mile or so. A parent drop-off/pick-up was the exception - going to a doctor appointment after school or something.

My school said you must be at least 2 miles away before they would route buses for pickups. There were exceptions which my neighborhood qualified as there were no sidewalks, and we would have to cross a single lane bridge to cross a 50 foot creek with no pedestrian path. I lived in the boonies, and it was faster for me to cut through cow pastures in a straight line than walking the roads. We just had to make sure the rancher's bull was not going to notice us (or sneakily hang a red handkerchief on one of your buddies' backpack).

Re: The School Car Pickup Line Is a National Embarrassment

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post #166

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> So in effect you’re saying the article is also location dependent? The article is literally about how location effects are driving the changes. > Pick one. If you knew the statistics on kidnapping in the US, you would not think of this as a “life-style” choice. Child abduction is extremely rare in the United States. You might be confusing sensational headlines with statistics. It's common to report missing children…

There aren’t many places in the US where it is safe AND practical for kids to walk home. If you don’t understand this, then you basically live in a bubble.

> There aren’t many places in the US where it is safe AND practical for kids to walk home.

Discussing the practicality aspect is literally the point of the article.

Above I was addressing your arguments about danger and kidnappers.

Re: The School Car Pickup Line Is a National Embarrassment

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Sometimes I truly wonder how the US is so far ahead in innovation and efficiency. This is unthinkable, how many hours of driving to and fro + this queue each day.

Here I am, in Germany, my kid goes to school by himself since second grade. Most of his classmates started to walk, bike, or take the train, bus or tram themselves at 3rd or 4th grade. Beyond 6th grade, it's considered a spoiled baby.

Re: The School Car Pickup Line Is a National Embarrassment

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Ngl if the price for that is a Japanese level of social control, conformity, and their mad justice system... I'll take a car line.

> I'll take a car line Push this out thirty years. One set of kids was navigating the real world since they were 4. The other has been mollycoddled with overparenting and screen time. Which cohort do you think will be happier, better adjusted and better off? Then realise that it's not uncommon to see grade schoolers taking the subway to and from school in New York.

> Which cohort do you think will be happier, better adjusted and better off?

Yes, and have agency and think for themselves - a key requirement of democracy and freedom.

Re: The School Car Pickup Line Is a National Embarrassment

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post #4

I think this article misses the one big problem (as I understand it). It's that schools need to dismiss the kid to their parent. I have family in North Carolina and I understand that cars have the family number displayed, and someone with a radio communicates to the school staff "Car 315 is here", they then find that kid and dismiss them. Just do away with that. When the bell rings, send the kids outside and they wil…

> It's that schools need to dismiss the kid to their parent. Do they? What's the citation for that law? Who are the schools dismissing the kids to when they walk home by themselves?

The parent has already signed a release form at the beginning of the school year that designated their kiddo as a walker, and did not need the parent present. Just like your DoorDash option to not be needed to be present
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