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Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by beeflet »

trog wrote: post #147
davemp wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let’s not pretend that Apple could come up with some sort of dual windowing system (or just dual boot) scheme. We’re not limited by drive space anymore. They don’t because it would hurt macbook sales.

Maybe they don't because they've seen what happens when Microsoft tried to build an OS that was both touch screen and mouse & keyboard.

It works pretty nicely on linux, you have "mobile" environments like phosh, KDE mobile and that are pretty seamless between handheld and docked "desktop" usage. They have support in app toolkits like gtk and qt for applications that change based on screen size to accommodate mobile users. It's pretty nice: https://tuxphones.com/convergent-linux-phone-apps/

The reason why it didn't work for microsoft is because adobe, valve, and aren't going to whatever framework just because microsoft wants them to. But in the linux world you can just fork and fix. Even apple has a lot of leverage to force developers to act in a certain way if they want that app store $$$.

Obviously the hardware isn't all there yet in the open source world (the pinephones are pretty underpowered), but in terms of software all of the right stuff is there. And don't tell me the UX is too complicated for new users. Gnome's design is literally a ripoff of MacOS and KDE's interface is pretty much Windows.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by Jenk »

onceler wrote: post #120
mullingitover wrote: post #104

"My decade-old and very well-travelled Toyota Land Cruiser finally died, and I hoped my new-ish ebike could replace it." How that article sounds. I don't care how fancy they make them, iPads are just unserious computing devices for real work.

Except in this metaphor, the "ebike" has en engine as powerful as a new "landcruiser", and attachment points that could allow quickly/easily adding extra seating or cargo capacity. That such a thing seems absurd illustrates how poorly the metaphor fits. The only reason that "iPads are just unserious computing devices for real work" is because Apple chooses to limit them. I have a laptop which I only rarely use as a l…

Win8's UI was terrible because Microsoft are terrible at UI, not because of the duality.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by Zardoz84 »

beeflet wrote: post #171
trog wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they don't because they've seen what happens when Microsoft tried to build an OS that was both touch screen and mouse & keyboard.

It works pretty nicely on linux, you have "mobile" environments like phosh, KDE mobile and that are pretty seamless between handheld and docked "desktop" usage. They have support in app toolkits like gtk and qt for applications that change based on screen size to accommodate mobile users. It's pretty nice: https://tuxphones.com/convergent-linux-phone-apps/ The reason why it didn't work for microsoft is because adobe,…

KDE interface it's better than the current Windows. And if you don't like, you can customise easily to your taste. Even mimic OSX if you like.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by sarmasamosarma »

mullingitover wrote: post #104

"My decade-old and very well-travelled Toyota Land Cruiser finally died, and I hoped my new-ish ebike could replace it." How that article sounds. I don't care how fancy they make them, iPads are just unserious computing devices for real work.

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Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by Zardoz84 »

serbuvlad wrote: post #169
trog wrote: post #147

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Maybe they don't because they've seen what happens when Microsoft tried to build an OS that was both touch screen and mouse & keyboard.

Nah, it's just corporate greed on apple's part. They want to sell you both the MacBook and the iPad. Apple is the only major notebook manufacturer which still doesn't offer touch on any of their notebooks. Yes, Windows 8 was a failure, but Windows 10 and 11 are successful products and they are also built around touch + m&k. GNOME and KDE on Linux also support touch input. Take a look at this device: https://rog.asus.…

Windows 10/11 it's a shit show. The last good Windows was 8.1. And the last great Windows was 7.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by ohgr »

mullingitover wrote: post #104

"My decade-old and very well-travelled Toyota Land Cruiser finally died, and I hoped my new-ish ebike could replace it." How that article sounds. I don't care how fancy they make them, iPads are just unserious computing devices for real work.

I have to agree here. I do a lot of written work and thinking still. If I put my “lowest common denominator user” hat on, the iPad seemed like an obvious choice to throw all this at as it has a reasonable “paper” implementation. Cue buying an iPad Pro, Noteful and using the files app to replace reference books and physical notepads.

It just didn’t work. There are so many constraints and it’s not just the software but the fact it has only one screen. I need about 4-5 iPads to be equivalent and that’s not even remotely practical or possible.

This is notably not unique to the iPad. No tablet would be good for this work.

As for the generic computing stuff it’s not even good for consuming content - the screen is too shiny. If you add a keyboard case to it you might as well buy a MacBook Air.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by keyle »

dudus wrote: post #159
mullingitover wrote: post #104

"My decade-old and very well-travelled Toyota Land Cruiser finally died, and I hoped my new-ish ebike could replace it." How that article sounds. I don't care how fancy they make them, iPads are just unserious computing devices for real work.

I needed a machine just to sketch some UIs in figma. I was going to get a Chromebook but my wife insisted on the iPad. I thought it could sure handle that use case, I quickly checked there was a figma app. I was expecting some quirks. A day later I returned it. Turns out that figma app for iPad can only "view" designs, not create them! I feel like there's a very narrow market for iPads. I'm surprised they still sell.

They sell like hot breads for kids in school.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by pjerem »

Zardoz84 wrote: post #173
beeflet wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It works pretty nicely on linux, you have "mobile" environments like phosh, KDE mobile and that are pretty seamless between handheld and docked "desktop" usage. They have support in app toolkits like gtk and qt for applications that change based on screen size to accommodate mobile users. It's pretty nice: https://tuxphones.com/convergent-linux-phone-apps/ The reason why it didn't work for microsoft is because adobe,…

KDE interface it's better than the current Windows. And if you don't like, you can customise easily to your taste. Even mimic OSX if you like.

KDE have constantly been better than Windows interface.

And I don’t even use KDE (but I still like it and it was my first DE on Linux like 20 years ago).

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by yokoprime »

I think there was a thread on Reddit recently, where the thread starter had been forced to use his iPad for work a whole day. The user concluded (paraphrasing) "its like replacing a truck with a small sedan. Sure you can still haul many of the same things, but it will require a lot more work and trips back and forth"

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by pjmlp »

Daishiman wrote: post #81
pjmlp wrote: post #40

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If it doesn't fit you, don't buy it only to complain. There are other vendors with more open experiences. If those vendors actually get enough market share, maybe even Apple might adopt them. Exactly like they did with keyboards, pen, and windows management, that came before on PC and Android tablets.

If the largest vendor of computer hardware on the planet purposely locks down its devices for no apparent consumer benefit then informed users have every right to complain to the less informed how this harms the entire market in the long run.

It is the largest vendor, exactly because only a minority cares about using a UNIX shell on their tablets.
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