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Re: Wall Street stocks tumble as investors fret over US economic slowdown

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I don't know why there is this general vibe amongst technologists that they are somehow far superior in their thought process compared to the general populace. I have heard the words peasant class come up quite often in the tech circles. Why is this ? Aren't you part of the general populace ? At the risk of getting downvoted let me posit a different narrative. What if the past governments were just propping up growth…

> I don't know why there is this general vibe amongst technologists that they are somehow far superior in their thought process compared to the general populace. It’s a recent shift. Historically, “technologists” were skeptical of the supposed knowledge of “experts.” When Linus built Linux, the “experts”—the guys with PhDs—said the future was microkernels: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanenbaum%E2%80%93Torvalds_deb.…

I get your point, I really do. And I somewhat agree with the basic tenet. It's just that if you look at the big picture and what they are doing on all fronts, it looks really really bad. And it's also who is doing this. I think Trump is a lying, shallow, stupid stupid man. I have thought this for a long time. People like this bring pain and suffering, not reform.

Even more, if you truly believe what you are saying, and you want a more competitive trade environment, getting someone who will botch it will hurt your cause. I see no way these guys are going to leave your country in a good state.

Re: Wall Street stocks tumble as investors fret over US economic slowdown

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Tesla stock has been particularly hammered. Ontario apparently cancelled a Starlink contract and Italy is considering to do so as well. Musk’s political antics are affecting his businesses.

But he continues doing what he started. Considering the fact that he is very smart and definitely hungry for absolute power, you can think about his true goal. If he is ready to risk that much of his worth, it means that the potential win for him will bring so much more.

Elon isn't particularly smart and his continuing to do what he started is pretty much entirely ego driven. He's afraid he'll look like a bitch if he throws the towel in now.

Of course, in reality, he's looked like a bitch since at least 2018.

Re: Wall Street stocks tumble as investors fret over US economic slowdown

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> definancialize the economy Not sure what does it mean in the context of the economy in general.

The point is to change the incentives to favor building things in the U.S. rather than increasing profits by building things overseas. Consider what high tariffs would do, for example, to Apple. Since Steve Jobs died, Tim Cook has focused on increasing profits by building a hyper-optimized Chinese supply chain. That doesn’t help American workers, and I’d argue in the long run it hurts innovation. But imagine if Apple…

> That doesn’t help American workers

Depends on your definition of 'help,' no kid in school thinks "Gosh I hope I can become a factory laborer when I grow up."

Let's be realistic, it doesn't help US geopolitical strategy and doesn't maintain US hegemony. The US doesn't need or want factory workers, it wants citizens who are self-actualized. It might need some factory workers to realize that aim, but human drudgery powering factory production isn't an end in itself.

Ideally the US leapfrogs all this and gets to fully automated production before anyone else. People want purpose in life, and being a factory drone is a pretty lousy purpose.

Re: Wall Street stocks tumble as investors fret over US economic slowdown

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How do tariffs fit into the stated goal of “increasing supply?”

Entrepreneurs are supposed to offer domestic versions at their own risk

With how quickly the tariffs are added and removed, if I were an entrepreneur I’d find it difficult to lean in on a risky investment that may be undermined or undercut by the eventual and sudden removal of tariffs. I’m curious how this plays out in reality.

Re: Wall Street stocks tumble as investors fret over US economic slowdown

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This analysis is lacking. People didn't vote for Trump because they analyzed his proposed economic policies and decided they would improve their situation. Almost nobody votes like that. There's general financial anxiety in the US, and he promised to fix it. What methods he proposed using are almost irrelevant, it's the rhetoric around them that sways voters. The narrative is now one of temporary hardship to excise t…

Harris also promised to fix it, and had an actual plan for addressing housing, education, medical costs, and prices in general, but we are all now pretending like none of that was a part of her campaign. Anyways, it's telling that everyone who was anxious over $3.50/dozen eggs in November is deathly silent over what's been happening in the past few weeks. All of a sudden, all of those people are now in the 'we have t…

> Milk's $11/gallon at my grocery

You should shop somewhere else, unless you're in Hawaii or something. That's not a normal price for most of the country.

Re: Wall Street stocks tumble as investors fret over US economic slowdown

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They're busy trying to pass a continuing resolution on Republican-only votes the keep the government open. Because heaven forbid both parties compromise.

> trying to pass a continuing resolution on Republican-only votes the keep the government open They can’t. They need Democrats in the Senate [1]. It should honestly fail without a provision defunding and deauthorising DOGE. [1] https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/03/10/congress/jo...

One of the big questions is what happens to all the money Congress has allocated?

The budget keeps allocations the same, but now that for example Mark Rubio announced USAID is to be entirely eliminated, it's remaining 15% of programs moved into State Department, what happens to that money? https://apnews.com/article/trump-musk-rubio-usaid-foreign-ai...

Expectations are that it's just treated as a giant slush fund for whatever the executive feels like. Whether Dems do anything to curb DOGE's chainsawing act or whether they try to wrestle with what happens to these "savings" is something Dems have a chance right now to tangle with, and much less leverage in the future. https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/will-dems-pick-up-their...

Re: Wall Street stocks tumble as investors fret over US economic slowdown

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Is there a specific aspect of the administration's policies which you believe are causing this? Candidates would include "actual impact of tariffs enacted" or "uncertainty about future tariffs" or the same things but with "geopolitical decisions" instead of tariffs. Or similarly "fiscal solvency" or "profile of government spending" etc. It's all well and good to make untestable post facto explanations based on vibes…

Tariff may be worse for the economy, but threatening tariffs as a "negotiating tactic" with Canada and Mexico is just plain stupid. Unless if they have insider information, businesses simply have no idea how to operate. For example, it would take years to build a factory, and they don't want to sink hundreds of millions in a factory in the US if tariffs don't actually go through or vice versa.

I completely agree, but I would argue this whether or not the stock market is going up or down in the immediate term.

Re: Wall Street stocks tumble as investors fret over US economic slowdown

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It isn't a curious dance. The story that the parent is referring to, so far, hasn't actually been attributed to anyone in the govt. A US-based consortium is trying to get it reopened, the FT weren't able to say who this person met with, one of the people thought to be involved (a German) denied meeting with anyone, and there is no actual evidence of anyone in the government saying they are working on this...it is jus…

And Germany and other European countries, despite all their tough talk, are spending more on Russian gas than they are on aid to Ukraine: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/24/eu-spends-more... "EU member states bought €21.9bn (£18.1bn) of Russian oil and gas in the third year of the war, according to estimates from the Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air (Crea), despite the efforts under way to kick…

That's down from 112bn in 2019[1]. That's a huge drop in just a couple of years. Other than optics, I don't see the relevance to simplistic nominal comparisons with Ukraine aid.

[1] 68bn in 2020 and 123bn 2021, but 2019 is better baseline given COVID.

Re: Wall Street stocks tumble as investors fret over US economic slowdown

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Tesla stock has been particularly hammered. Ontario apparently cancelled a Starlink contract and Italy is considering to do so as well. Musk’s political antics are affecting his businesses.

-2?

I see DOGE/Musk fanbois frequent Hacker News.

Re: Wall Street stocks tumble as investors fret over US economic slowdown

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Remember, this is the president that won largely because of people's dissatisfaction with inflation, and his promises to "fix" the economy. Instead, he's decided to wage a pointless trade war that nobody asked for, and came out yesterday essentially saying he's totally okay with a recession coming out of it. The only thing more absurd is the fact that some people didn't see this coming. He signalled everything that h…

One of the weirdest views of Democrats is thinking that because the market has dropped 2% then individual voters are out there with their head in their hands thinking the world has ended. If you go back a few years and the government (largely the Fed) was destroying the economy, you never saw this type of comment. It seems to be that Democrats specifically cannot think of politics in any terms other than personal, or…

Meanwhile, Republicans are pushing for a $4T debt ceiling increase and $4.5T in tax cuts. Talk about handouts!
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