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The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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It’s a big world. Does breaking up google give the Asian giants an advantage? Wonder if China breaks up their large tech companies?

China is not a democratic country. They don't break up companies, they forcefully remove their CEOs from their positions, or put them to jail or they can put a bullet to their head for disobeying the Party.

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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First I don't believe this is an effective remedy to break up a Google monopoly, but I have no influence on the DOJ. I'm curious though, if Google can no longer pay browsers for search engine traffic what is the business model that will sustain development and advancement in the space? How does a non Google owned Chrome support itself and continue development? What happens to all the applications that rely on Chrome…

You call them Chrome extensions, but they're really Chromium extensions that work on Edge, Opera, Brave, Vivaldi, Arc, etc. Those teams contribute code to the Chromium open source project too. Sure, whoever takes over Chrome won't have Googles juggernaut team pushing Chromium development forward, and maybe that will lead to degradation over time, but it's not like it would cause immediate ecosystem collapse. For all my psychic prediction powers know, getting rid of the monopoly could lead to a renaissance in browser tech via stronger competition. This could go either way.

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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If you look carefully at the Chromium project, it’s made up of teams that specialize in different components. The majority of the members of those teams are in turn Google employees. Presumably they have the best qualifications to be on those teams. I don’t see how a DOJ decision against Google would change any of that. Ban Google employees from participating in the project? And then who would replace them?

Firefox seems to do fine without Google employees.

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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post #139

> The Justice Department also kept a Biden-era proposal that seeks to ban Google from paying companies like Apple, other smartphone manufacturers and Mozilla to make its search engine the default on their phones and browsers. RIP Firefox?

I recall it being claimed that Mozilla has the warchest to survive at typical spending levels for quite some time, without Google.

If I am reading their financial statement correctly, they have about 3 years of runway. $500M/year expenses, $65M/year revenue other than search deals, $45M/year interest on savings and $1300M assets.

https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2024/mozilla-fdn-202...

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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At this point, tech's major competitors are overseas. Never thought I'd be making this argument, but does breaking up the search monopoly help America or up and comers?

There are certainly some short term consumer gains to be made in decoupling the oppressive monopoly of android, payments, chromium, search, and ads. If Google wants to send their search experience to shit that should probably be their right to mismanage, but the ramming home of Manifest v3 and Google Play Protect in the interest of nobody is beyond the pale.

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox will be just fine. Mozilla CEO bonuses however...

This is complete nonsense. I don't love the CEO bonuses, but they are objectively less than half a percent of Mozilla's budget. Google search on the other hand is 85% of their revenue.

Apologies for the cheap shot at sarcasm, however the point I was trying to make is this: https://www.jwz.org/blog/2020/09/this-is-a-pretty-dire-asses...

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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post #12

Can Google just "donate" Chrome to a foundation like a lot of big companies do to deal with this? Maybe we'll soon have Apache Chrome!

There is no foundation with the budget to even maintain a web browser, let alone keep developing. If Google is not footing the bill then Safari will become the torch bearer, and Apple has no incentive to make Safari become more capable to threaten that sweet IAP revenue.

Have there been meaningful changes to the browser spec since ES2015 support was baked in? Chrome, Safari etc. are not developing their browsers for the betterment of the web. One company wants to shove ads in your face, the other wants you out of the web entirely and into their walled garden of apps and ads.

From a security standpoint, I'm sure it's more complicated, but UBO and warning dialog boxes about downloading files to your device, logging into services without 2FA would probably solve a lot of those problems. Does a billion dollar corp have to be involved considering how much has gone into Linux from people's pro bono efforts?

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